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Isn't this all blatantly lopsided? 90% of these quotes are either attacks or apologies for socialism.

—This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) .

Nearly all the pages here could use some improvement, and many could use MUCH, but the actual laborers are few — and complainers and would-be dictators of what should be the labors of others and how they should proceed tend to be far too many. IF indeed most of the quotes are either of sincere attacks or sincere defense of socialism then things are probably proceeding to a great extent as they actually should — perhaps if there are severe imbalances of either sort, or large proportion of insincere or sarcastic remarks either way, that would probably be very deplorable — but if most remarks were simply vacuous efforts to explain or explain away the passions of people devoted or hostile to various ideas about socialism — that would probably be most regrettable thing of all, as it would then be blatantly banal — and about as nearly worthless as the banal attitude that all things should be reduced to such banalities as the majority of the most cowardly conformists can accept and approve. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 23:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


Published sources should be provided before moving these back into the article
  • Socialism and rationalism are to this day the touchstones of humanity, the rocks which lie in the course of revolution and science. Groups of swimmers, driven by reflection or the waves of circumstance against these rocks, break up at once into two camps, which, under different disguises, remain the same throughout all history, and may be distinguished either in a great political party or in a group of a dozen young men. One represents logic; the other, history: one stands for dialectics; the other for evolution. Truth is the main object of the former, and feasibility of the latter.
  • Socialism is dead. Even the labour party has turned against socialism.
  • He who is not a socialist at 19, has no heart. He who is still a socialist at 30, has no brain.
  • Socialism is workable only in heaven where it is not needed, and in hell where they've got it.
  • Socialism is the flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world.
    • Tony Benn this statement as rendered has not been located in any published source, but Benn is known to have made similar remarks:
  • Inside him burned the flame of anger against injustice, and the flame of hope that we could build a better world. That was what moved him.
    • Remarks in the House of Commons regarding the death of John Smith (12 May 1994)
  • If you want change you do it yourself. All progress historically has come from below. The people at the top find life very attractive, but the discontent about injustice bubbles among the population and in every generation, in every country, in every century, two flames are burning, the flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope you can build a better world. And those two flames are burning very brightly now.
  • We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.
    • Joseph Goebbels, 1933
      • Source: Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932).
  • Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of German freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the Fatherland!
  • The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism's nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.
  • I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow. . . . What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism.

False Quotations[edit]

Sometimes on encounters a fictitious quote or a misattribution; any devotee of Benjamin Franklin or Mark Twain, for example, know that the latter are very common. But fictitious quotes often come with a cited source that is not the original source, and that source doesn't cite the original either. This can create a chain of citation upon citation upon citation that creates the illusion of legitimacy. These are worth identifying, as well as removal and/or correction.

  • Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    • Winston Churchill, as quoted in The New American Newspeak Dictionary (2005) by Adrian Krieg, p. 96


“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” (Speech in the House of Commons, October 22, 1945 “Demobilisation”)

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.” (Speech (May 28, 1948) at the Scottish Unionist Conference, Perth, Scotland)

“SOCIALISM A PHILOSOPHY OF FAILURE” (J. Laurence Laughlin, , Scribner’s Magazine, May 1909, pg. 613) --Brucewh (talk) 09:09, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


As quotes by Adolf Hitler on National Socialism were removed from Socialism and put on Right-wing socialism because they were a variant of socialism and not socialism proper, should quotes on Leninist Socialism and Marxian Socialism be removed from Socialism for the same reason? --2001:8003:412B:6300:9C1:5968:1D8:CC27 22:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)