User talk:Shadow

Between the idea

And the reality

Between the motion

And the act

Falls the shadow

~ T. S. Eliot ~

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Enjoy! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Recent revert

I noticed you reverted my Ganandi quote. It is directally from a book I have right hear with me called, "GANDHI AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY" Wazzawazzawaz 03:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I concede that there might be such a line, but it is not evident in my google searches; providing a page number and publisher would be helpful in perhaps eventually confirming your assertions. The tone of your dialog and the fact that there also appears to be no "Jeffery Garhmand" as an author or subject of any books at all, does not enhance your credibility. ~ Shadow 03:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Just because you cant find something on Google doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. "Google is not "GOD" Wazzawazzawaz 03:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Forgot, the books are as follows, "Gandhi An Autobiography: The Story of My Experiments With Truth" and "Spies Among Us : How to Stop the Spies, Terrorists, Hackers, and Criminals You Don't Even Know You Encounter Every Day " check them out of your local library and I guarantee the quotes will be there. Wazzawazzawaz 03:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Using Amazon's book search there is no sign of a Garhmand, Garhman, or Garman, Garhman, Gharman, or any other similar name inside that book or listed in the index of Spies Among Us : How to Stop the Spies, Terrorists, Hackers, and Criminals You Don't Even Know You Encounter Every Day. ~ Shadow 04:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have it right infront of me and it is right here on page 18. Wazzawazzawaz 04:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

See, this comes down to your evidence vs. my evidence. I have physical proof, and all you have is Amazon and Google. Who wins? Come on man get real. Wazzawazzawaz 04:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

If I might jump in on this discussion, as I just pointed out on Wazzawazzawaz's talk page, an ISBN number or other verifiable publication information would be useful. A person's claim of physical proof is not verifiable — not even if it comes from Wikipedia's founder — and a central tenet of Wikimedia Foundation materials is verifiability. Providing publication information that can be independently verified is necessary. There are many independent sources that may be used for verification with this data. For instance, it is almost certain that the Library of Congress will have a record of any English-language book authored by Gandhi (as well as quite a few non-English ones, as my brief check of its 599 records for Gandhi revealed). So far, I found nothing called Gandhi: An Autobiography, but more details could help find such a book.

Wazzawazzawaz, if you wonder why it is so important to be able to verify information, let me point out that Wikimedia projects deal with literally thousands of vandals every day, from people who simply write expletives across articles, to sophisticated ones who enjoy creating bogus articles with realistic-looking but completely fake "sources". Since we try not to prevent anyone who demonstrates minimal good faith from participating in editing, we must have standards that allow this global community to continually verify its texts. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)