Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Piet Emmer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: Clearly consensus to keep.Lemonaka (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Piet Emmer

This is being raised to get a positive community consensus that this article should be retained or deleted, and community consensus as to if a {{NPOV}} tag needs to be applied. I began to scrutinise this article when it did not have an associated English Wikipedia article, and was somewhat interested in the impact a BOT trial may have had in that process and in analysis of the W:WP:AFC decline. Having located d:Q2180030 I made the sitelink. I note the grandfather article to this may be from the on the Dutch Wikipedia from 2006. There is a thread here where I have made some analysis and which unsuccessfully tries to reach out to the bot trial and AFC decliner (AGF they may not have picked this up) and where the article creator has made a statement. I am opined there might be both valid arguments to delete and to keep. — User:Djm-leighpark_(a)^talk 10:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Vote closes: 11:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• *Keep:Per consensus: (nominator) My current intention is to go with per consensus on this one. If there is no community input put or it is divided my suggestion to the closer is to keep but add a precautionary {{NPOV}} due to the contentious nature of slavery related matters (I will not have time to confirm the neutrality of this myself). -- User:Djm-leighpark_(a)^talk 10:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

• Per anon IP's vote commentary on their 23 February 2023 below and English Wikipedia has now been persisted and I an happy to more my position to keep because of that. I also feel my concerns to place a {{NPOV}} on this article have been allayed and I do not believe there is any particular issue on this article which would warrant that tag. Thankyou. (formerly Djm-leighpark) -- DeirgeDel ^t_a^c 08:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: :Piet Emmer is the leading expert on Dutch colonial history, in the Netherlands and Suriname since the 1980s, he obtained his PhD with his Dissertation on the Dutch slave trade in 1974, he was professor of colonial history at Leiden University for 18 years, he has written several bestselling books in several languages including Dutch, English and German, he has been a well-known face around this subject in the Dutch, Surinamese and Antillean media since the 1980s, he has appeared in several documentaries on the topic of Surinam and Durch Colonial history and slavery, he writes columns on the subject, and is to this day actively involved in the debate around decolonization and the Dutch slavery past on a national level. If he does not qualify for a wikipedia page, well then who does? There is clearly a political activist agenda, of censoring and canceling anything that doesn't fit the current narrative. The sources of the English Wikipedia article are fine, the same sources are accepted on the French, German, Arabic, Papiamento and Portuguese wikipedia's, and on the Dutch Wikipedia where has a page since 2006. Pete Emmer is not an activist, or a social warrior, or a racist, or white supremacist, or an obscure alt-right personality living on the fringes of society, far from it, he is a scientist, a respected scientist in several countries, he presents the facts as they are, in understandable language and in a respectful manner. And that some people are too vulnerable to hear the facts, and that they feel they should erase the facts, and replace them with things that are not facts, but sound good and confirm the current narrative, says more about them, than about the honorary Professor Emmer i think. TheRoyalTrust (talk) 00:35, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Keep: I naturally vote to keep this page. TheRoyalTrust (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Keep: if we deleted every article with potential NPOV issues, there would be no political articles at all. I'm going with notability on this one. Markjoseph125 (talk) 23:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Keep: Piet Emmer has a page on Wikipedia. 2A02:A03F:8B2C:9200:E536:B6D2:C2F9:20AE 13:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

  The page of Piet Emmer on the English Wikipedia has been approved, so the reason for this page has become invalid, so this page can be removed, thanks. TheRoyalTrust (talk) 00:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.