User talk:BD2412

Status: Back. bd2412 T (e) /Archive 1 (April 2006 - December 2008) /Archive 2 (January 2009 - December 2011) Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/Deezy.D. I know I have been a trouble maker in the past but if you look at all my edits so far you will notice most of them are actually really good like how I did a massive remodel on the Lil Wayne article or the articles I've created and updated constantly such as Pimp C,Bun B,Ludacris,Anthony Hamilton,Eazy E,Bushwick Bill,Willie D,Z-Ro, and T-Pain. So I was hoping you would support my effort to become one of few teenage Administrators. Thanks a million Deezy D 17:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC) I generally reserve support for admin candidates until they have at least six months on the project, and a few thousand edits. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:49, 5 January 2012 (UTC) Non-Wiki-Savvy complaint Clearly, I don't know bupkis about wikipedia or I'd be usin all that flashy mark up crap. All I wanna say is, you deleted the French proverbs article and *thanks a lot*. Like any proverb can be "sourced". That was such a neat article and it hurts my heart that, because sayings don't have any place to be cited to, they just aren't good enough for wikiquotes. Unless there's some other wiki that deals exclusively with sayings whose origins have been lost to time, this is rather upsetting. Not that anything will happen, just lettin you know that you made somebody sad for the sanctity of a website (which really only benefited from the page). I don't know that this is the case. Perhaps all of the entries on this page listed as "proverbs" are just made up, phrases that the editor who added them thought sounded nice, whether or not they are actually used as proverbs. How do we know any of these are actual proverbs? Just because someone put them on this page doesn't make them so. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC) Hi, I see you restored the French proverbs that could be sourced. I had added a dozen or so items to Scottish Gaelic proverbs (referenced but naturally unsourced) which too were deleted, but found out they could presumably be put into en-wikt. Would you consider restoring the deleted page (temporarily and/or as a subpage of my userpage at least) so I could transfer them? Not having anticipated this situation I haven't backed them up. Thanks, --Thrissel 11:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC) Sure. They are now at User:Thrissel/Scottish Gaelic proverbs. Some of them do appear to be partially sourced, but the sourcing is by footnotes, and not inline as our formatting rules require. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC) Thanks a lot! But it seems I may have got it wrong after all: does "unsourced" mean "without known author" or a Wikisource analogy to Wikipedia's "unreferenced" or Wiktionary's "unverified" - and in case it's the latter, could those few proverbs stay here if I reformatted them like this? --Thrissel 22:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC) The example you link looks fine to me. "Unsourced" means no citation is given, like Wikipedia's "unreferenced". When an authoritative secondary source is cited, even if the origin is unknown or unknowable, then it is not unsourced. See Wikiquote:Sourcing#Proverbs. On theme pages I sometimes cite these as "Anonymous proverb reported in...", but in a "Proverbs" page this would be more or less implicit. ~ Ningauble 15:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the reply and for the link - I'll start working on it tonight and see if I can improve some of them toward the "earliest known literary appearance" principle. --Thrissel 16:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC) Done. I deleted everything unsourced, found a few sources earlier than those which were used for some of the proverbs and moved the page back into mainspace. Feel free to have a look and correct anything I might still have done wrong. Cheerio, --Thrissel 22:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC) Looks good. Very good, in fact. BD2412 T 00:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC) Thanks! --Thrissel 16:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC) Hello Hello, my name is David as you could guess from my user name I was told by my friend I go to school with that to get a good reputation on here as a person who does not vandalize and do useless edits to become friends or at least get to know and become friendly with the adminstrators. I have hope to become an adminstrator one day to so it couldn't hurt to try to become friends now. David.Green 15:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC) History merge Hello, noticed an history merge on Work et al.: I see that the history is very confusing, did you merge articles with overlapping (in terms of time) edit histories? Nemo 20:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC) Yes. With all of the pages for which Hoyt's 1922 New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations had corresponding entries, I first formatted all the Hoyt's quotes on a subpage, then merged the subpage into the article page. I think I did around 400-500 of those, the rest requiring the creation of new pages. To a lesser extent, I have similarly merged in subpages of material from other public domain collections, the Dictionary of Legal Quotations, and the Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers. BD2412 T 21:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC) I really don't understand why, this makes histories completely unreadable. Histories should never be merged if they overlap, it makes impossible to understand who did what, and this could even be a copyright problem (attribution is given to diffs, and you alter diffs). See for instance m:Help:Import#Merging_histories_and_other_complications. I hope most of those pages didn't have overlapping histories. Thanks, Nemo 11:16, 18 January 2012 (UTC) I would guess that most of these pages do in fact have overlapping histories. However, I tidied each page to some extent, removed many unsourced quotes, and checked for copyvios, before merging in the Hoyt's information. With respect to attribution, this is not Wikipedia. Virtually everything added to any page here is expected to be a non-copyrightable contribution, since all we have are collections of public domain quotes. And any editor seeking to add their own "original" contributions would be in violation of Wikiquote policies. To the extent that attribution is significant, the alternative to merging the edit histories would be to exclude the substantial edit history of the importation, formatting, augmentation, and correction of literally thousands of Hoyt's quotes - a tremendous undertaking requiring hundreds of hours of work and thousands of edits, that in many cases doubled or tripled the content of the pages to which they were added. BD2412 T 14:17, 18 January 2012 (UTC) Not really. The alternative – if you want all that to be in the history – would be to delete (i.e. selectively undelete and move) the overlapping history of the article (I guess edits on those pages belong to a narrower period?), or move the article history to some Wikiquote: subpage, and then merge the history of Hoyt's quotes pages. If the history is confusing it doesn't give any attribution to those hundreds of hours of work either. Unmerging histories is quite horrible a task, though (and revdeletion could be a bit ugly perhaps), so what's done is done. Cheers, Nemo 15:16, 18 January 2012 (UTC) Merged overlapping histories are indeed difficult to work with. Attribution for the contributions is in there, but it is very hard to dig it out. Alas, I do not know how to do this any better: when I first attempted a history merge I just broke the page, and I have not repeated the attempt. ~ Ningauble 00:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC) I looked at every set of edit histories as I merged the pages. I really don't think I disrupted any vital stream of contributions. There were certainly many pages where contributions were otherwise few and far between, although pages like Love and War obviously have always had a lot going on. BD2412 T 00:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC) Yes, perhaps I looked at the "wrong" pages. :-) There are ways to fix things if needed, they're just boring; but if you decide to do something on some particularly difficult cases for selective deletion/undeletion etc., I can help if you want (I've some experience with it). Nemo 07:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC) Thank you Thank you for this comment. Can you please leave a note at the user's talk page about this sort of unhelpful rhetoric? -- Cirt (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC) I think that the mention in the discussion itself is sufficient. I'll address the situation directly if the same editor says the same sort of thing again. BD2412 T 19:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Alright, and on that note, please see below. -- Cirt (talk) 19:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC) FYI, I mentioned you Please see Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Disruption_and_incivility_by_Kalki. -- Cirt (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC) And ... the rhetoric continues diff -- Cirt (talk) 19:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Note the edit summary chosen here. -- Cirt (talk) 20:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Yes, I noticed that. This one, also. BD2412 T 20:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC) Is this tolerable behavior on Wikiquote? Can I start using that sort of rhetoric as well? Are there zero repercussions for Kalki's behavior? -- Cirt (talk) 20:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC) So ... that's it then, no consequences for Kalki? -- Cirt (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC) EVERYTHING has consequences, ALWAYS. SOME of the consequences for me are these: I WILL BE FAR MORE ATTENTIVE TO YOU and your activities NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. I had done what I could to not pay MUCH attention to them, as you were someone I genuinely held to be so extremely ignorant, confused, misguided and hostile to MUCH of the grace in humanity that there was not much I could do for you any time soon — and I prefer to HELP others, NOT HURT THEM and their abilities to do GOOD in this world. I don't make any claim that you will be a major focus for me — I won't go to that extreme, but I will try to be more genuinely considerate and polite to you. But I will retain hostility to any actions I consider unjust or improper, and yet sincerely try to minimize personalistic allusions in my criticisms of them. Blessings to ALL. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 03:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC) @BD2412, unfortunately Kalki stated at the admin noticeboard: "I sincerely have NO inclinations to cross out sincere comments I continue to believe to be probably true and certainly justified and valid from my perspectives." — therefore it is clear that without repercussions, Kalki sees zero problem with his inappropriate rhetoric continuing in the future. What can be done about this? -- Cirt (talk) 04:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Unfortunately, you seem to believe there is zero problem with your inappropriate focus on finding some ways to find some ALLY in your apparent will to PUNISH me and constrain my freedoms to speak, for daring to persist in disagreeing with you about MANY things, and standing by my honest perspectives without ANY intentions to bow down and behave like a craven coward as some might possibly wish. I truly hope that you will grow more enlightened to the grace within other people and not continue to project ASSUMPTIONS of DARKNESS and extreme malice or ill will where it actually does NOT exist. Blessings to you — may the day soon come when you recognize me as an HONEST friend. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 04:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC) I'd like to hear BD2412's response on whether Kalki should have zero repercussions for his continued attacks and inappropriate rhetoric. -- Cirt (talk) 04:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC) What continued attacks am I making, now? I am defending ALL people's rights to freely speak without fear of coercion and punishment for expressing sincere opinions, including YOU. I hardly consider this an attack. May the grace of Humanity be increasingly recognized and welcomed by you, now and forever more, throughout all the days of your life. BLESSINGS TO ALL. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 04:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Kalki's attempts at having The Last Word are transparent, whilst at the same time repeatedly refusing to redact his multiple inappropriate behavior, rhetoric, and attacks. -- Cirt (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Here is the last word: the discussion on this page is closed. Further comments relating to this topic should be restricted to the ongoing discussions at the Village Pump and the Administrator's Noticeboard. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Understood, sounds good, thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 16:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Appreciate it I appreciate very much your kind comments about me at WQ:AN, especially this. So nice to know that my efforts here are considered valuable by other respected members of the community on this site such as yourself! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 00:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Notice, quoted your wise comment BD2412, I've quoted you, here: Wikiquote_talk:Image_use_policy#Proposed:_BD2412_suggested_criteria. -- Cirt (talk) 19:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the advice Thanks for the advice (responses). I agree with it and to that end I'll be seeking out even more talk page input from the community, as I am currently doing (ongoing) in the straw poll on Image use policy I've setup, which is based on your recommendations. Thanks again, -- Cirt (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC) a sad day Thank you for the actions and admonishments you made yesterday. It is a sad day when this becomes necessary. I hope that the parties will indeed reflect upon and strive for constructive discussion. ~ Ningauble 17:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC) I am optimistic that things will work out for the best, and that our editors will come around to a more productive focus. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:50, 5 February 2012 (UTC)