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Status: I will be away for family matters until September 2. bd2412 T (e)

On punitive blocks[edit]

Not sure who you were trying to impress with that block rationale ("I wish to be clear that I am serious about the interaction ban that I have imposed"). It reminds me of the father who slaps his child in the face and then threatens to punch her next, if she dares to speak again. Moreover, treating an editor like a vandal doesn't raise his morale, it only prevents him from contributing to articles. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Bickering and feuding harms the project. If you consider yourself a child, and a one day block to be a slap in the face, I won't argue the implications. BD2412 T 13:07, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
The implications would indeed be disturbing.[1] ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:37, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


Do you do these manually, i.e., one by one? When I have to do similar edits ([2][3][4]), I always wonder if there is an easier/faster way to do them. Cheers ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Since they were large sections, I copied each group of quotes into a word document and did a search and replace. BD2412 T 19:41, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, nice trick. (Thanks for sharing.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:50, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Can you think of any quick(er) way of adding a dot (.) at the end of each reference on the Virgil page (e.g., line xxx.)? (The "search and replace" method doesn't seem to work for that goal.) Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

A word[edit]

I hope you're not thinking of blocking me again for 30 days just because of this edit. (It will be hard for me to come up with something funnier than this if you do block me again this time, but I'll try...) Okay, take care. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Not even thinking about it. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Could sending personal information that proves me and Diogo are brothers (e.g., my Passport) via email be grounds for a global lock? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:26, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't know. Those are not issues that I have had to deal with. BD2412 T 17:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay. As you know, my brother was blocked some time ago in many wikis where he has zero edits (by a person I cannot name). He was recently unblocked at Commons, where admin asked him to write on his user page that he is my brother. (He did so [5], as a favor, which may be amusing to the people who think he is my sock.) He was also unblocked at Wikisource [6] on the grounds that he had no edits there. (He also has no edits here.)
Other than the strong evidence presented by email that he is my brother (including citizen card, ID), there are other things which you included can check. 1) he created his account in 2009 (I myself didn't even know about accounts till late 2012); 2) the email with which he registered his account is (confirm that); 3) he still uses that email, even on his Facebook account, where you can find him (Diogo Tomé). I think it is obvious that the account is his.
Also worth noting, he, just like me, registered with his real name, which is not what socks do (if somehow I were to have a sock, and could magically have created it 5 years ago, I would name it "starwarsfan93" or something like that). Although I know he doesn't want to edit Wikiquote, I still don't think he should be blocked here on sock grounds.
I would ask the person I can't name, who blocked him the the first place, to unblock his account, as he did at Wikisource, but I don't want to be blocked for 30 days (I suppose even this request alone could get me in trouble), so I'm asking you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
@DanielTom, why not just file a formal request at Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard? -- Mdd (talk) 00:23, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I would prefer to ask the blocking admin directly if he would revert the block (as he did at Wikisource), but I'm under an inconvenient interaction ban. At this point I'm using BD as a proxy. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I prefer to keep it simple, so I copy/pasted your unblock request to Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Unblock_request_User:Diogotome -- Mdd (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Mdd, first we should ask the blocking admin. Only then (if he refuses to unblock) should we go to the admins' noticeboard. The first step is (was) important. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I have asked the blocking admin here, and if he has no objections any administrator can proceed. If however he does disagree, the Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard seems like the most appropriate place to discuss this matter. -- Mdd (talk) 11:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I have handled this matter. Cheers! BD2412 T 12:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you both. ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

re FYI[edit]


Please see my replies to you at my user talk page at diff and diff.

I am going to defer to your judgment, and not get involved in any of this stuff, therefore repeated replies to my user talk page with attempts by a third-party user to draw me into this matter are not helpful at this point in time.

I'm recovering from some significant health issues and would prefer to just not be bothered any more with this matter.

I thank you again for your advice and I will continue to abide by it.

I hope you are well,

-- Cirt (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I consider the matter closed. BD2412 T 17:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, thank you. I'll get back to my recovery process. :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Advice to the wikiquote savior[edit]

Lawyers should avoid double negatives.[7] ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not uncomfortable with double negatives. BD2412 T 02:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Nor lacks e'en here the law's appeal,
Nor sits no judge the lots to deal.
— (Conington.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


Is there a way of adding spaces, like so:

  • hello,

but continuing below that, as in:

  • [ . . . white space . . . ] "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

You mean something like this?

  •                                   "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

Cheers! BD2412 T 21:15, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

On further investigation, this is even better:

  •           "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

BD2412 T 21:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, this is what I was looking for. Thanks! ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:13, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Slightly more concisely:

  •                "By length of time
    The scurf is worn away of each committed crime"?

(The spaces between are also spaces, albeit smaller ones.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 22:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Damn you, sir, you have rent my thunder. Well played, sir, well played. BD2412 T 22:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


Hello! Can you please change my username from "Guycn1" to "Guycn1 (unused)"? Guycn1 (talk) 19:02, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you :) 17:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Q (2)[edit]

You should unblock my "Daniel Tomé" account. It's not clear to me how using my real name could ever be perceived as sockpuppetry. The issue here was a cross wiki harassment against me conducted by Cirt, whom I'm not supposed to mention, and who should be blocked for having defaced my block log for no reason. May I recreate the user page (after the coming 30 day block)? Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

What on earth would lead you to think that the block would be only thirty days? BD2412 T 13:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I still think you should unblock this account. As far as I know, there is nothing in policy that prevents me from having more than 1 account, as long as it is clearly labeled and admitted to be mine (which "Daniel Tomé" is, as a very public rename, and only a latter shy of "DanielTom"), not to mention its block for it being a "sock" is ridiculous. I can raise the issue at the administrators' noticeboard if you would rather not unblock it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Any update on this? If you want to keep it blocked, the rationale should be different. You can run, but you can't hide... ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
It probably would be best raised at the Administrators' Noticeboard. After all, what would you do with the account if it were unblocked? BD2412 T 20:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
If it is supposed to be blocked, you should have blocked it at the time of the rename. Not sure I want "User:Daniel Tomé" discussed in public noticeboards again, for obvious reasons, but if you insist... ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
It turned out fine. Brief discussion, block lifted. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi! It's always nice to see some Wikiquote editors joining global discussions, thank you. Of course you noticed that the WMF didn't bother registering the Wikiquote logo before registering a less important logo nobody asked protection for? Personally I'd like to see the WMF focus on the protection of assets that directly impact our editors and readers (Italian editors' pet peeve is the domain, which has millions visitors and displays prominent advertisement, with no action from WMF in years; but this matters less for you of course). See wmf:Wikimedia trademarks#Wikiquote. --Nemo 14:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Hoyt's dictionary sections[edit]

Hello ! I've been editing Memory, which is currently split between general sourced quotes and quotes which you added from Hoyt's dictionary. Just wanted to ask whether I need to verify the quotes in that section independently before integrating them with the rest of the article or whether they should remain in a separate section indefinitely. Cheers :) --Aphorist (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Hoyt's quotations are generally not fully sourced because they do not indicate the date or page number of the work from which they are derived. However, they are not "unsourced" because Hoyt's itself is a source. These can be integrated into the general quotes as sourced to Hoyt's (see Results for an example of this), but the ideal result will be for each to be fully sourced by date and page in its work of origin. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Are page numbers always required ? They almost always vary between editions, so I'm never sure which to use, and I find the citation format here makes it difficult to concisely state information about the edition being used without distracting the reader from the quote. --Aphorist (talk) 11:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The ideal citation points the reader to the date, work, and page where the quote in question was first ever published, as we are in the business of providing verified quotes. Consider: "One often hears of writers that rise and swell with their subject, though it may seem but an ordinary one". That is from Moby-Dick; I could tell you that alone, and you could take my word on it, but our page on that work at least indicates that it is in chapter 104 (the chapters of Moby-Dick are short enough for that to make the quote easy to find). If you want to find it to see the surrounding context, you can do so without reading the entire book. This is also useful for demonstrating that the quote was part of the work at its inception, or if it wasn't, of when it was added. BD2412 T 00:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much[edit]

Thank you for your contributions to Sexual slang, most appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

There was an additional quote from the film that I vaguely remember, but can't find, where one character was rattling off a list of slang names of things that another one (the murder victim, I believe) would do. BD2412 T 21:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Heh, sounds like an interesting film, I'll have to look into it. -- Cirt (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


Cool, tell me what's up. Also, are there tools like "Twinkle" or "Hot Cat" etc. available on WikiQuote like they are on Wikipedia? Plot Spoiler (talk) 14:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

  • HotCat is definitely available, in preferences, under Gadgets. As for the project, there is a public domain compilation of quotes in the book, Respectfully Quoted (it is in the public domain because it is produced by the U.S. Congressional Research Service, and contains quotes requested by members of Congress). I have created a project page at User:BD2412/RQ listing dozens of pages where I have separated these quotes by topic. The red links are topics missing from Wikiquote altogether; the blue links are topics for which Wikiquote has an article, and some RQ quotes may be missing from that article. The red-link pages, in particular, need to be fully formatted, augmented with lede materials, and then moved into the mainspace. I should add that some of these only have one quote, and other quotes on the topic can be found and added to the page. The blue-link pages need to have quotes moved from the pages I have created in my userspace to the correct target pages. BD2412 T 15:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Nice job. What would specifically be most useful for me to do? Plot Spoiler (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Probably the best thing to do would be to move methodically through the list, making sure that each quote on a given page is properly formatted and adding appropriate quotes as needed. Once a page is up to par with other pages in mainspace, they can be moved to mainspace and categories can be added. BD2412 T 17:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Starting from the bottom up on the redlinks. Tell me if this is the kind of support you are looking for[8]. Cheers. Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

re Project![edit]

Hey Cirt, what are you up to these days? I have a major project in the pipeline, and could use some help. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

These days my wiki time is spent across multiple projects mainly all having to do with the generalist subject of freedom of speech. Most recently the article I created from scratch, Freedom for the Thought That We Hate, was the Featured Article on the Main Page of Wikipedia. Does your project have to do with freedom of speech ? -- Cirt (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
The project is outlined in my response to User:Plot Spoiler above. I can't say that it particularly has to do with freedom of speech, although there is a page on obscenity (User:BD2412/Obscenity). Currently, Obscenity redirects to Profanity, but I think that they are distinct topics, and would like to see a separate page on obscenity built and moved over the redirect. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Ah, okay, well Obscenity sounds like an interesting research topic, I'll look into what some sources have said about it. -- Cirt (talk) 16:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with my attempts at good faith compromise[edit]

BD2412, I could use your help at Talk:Landmark Forum with my attempts to reach good faith compromise.

Basically here's the situation:

  1. Some people there don't like the quotes that were originally used to create the page.
  2. I've acknowledged this, and removed some quotes outright myself.
  3. Other quotes I've trimmed to make them more pithy and succinct.
  4. I also suggested that we can add other more quotable quotes and even use those to replace the less quotable quotes.
  5. Instead there is talk of trying to get the entire page deleted!
  6. The topic is certainly notable. Can we come to a good faith compromise resolution where the page can be retained, with new quotes added, and some other quotes kept?

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Your Project - a question[edit]

BD2412, I started some work on your latest project and created a page for Exploration. I made an attempt to move this topic out of the red topics list on your subpage - is this how you would like it to be signified (that a topic is done)? I also deleted the subpage where the quotes had temporarily lived - is this also how you would like things to occur? ~ UDScott (talk) 16:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Per the GFDL, edit history should be preserved by just moving the page to mainspace. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, BD2412,
I just put a note on my username usurpation request. Just following up on the status of the request. Thanks so much! Newjerseyliz (talk) 13:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Recurring style dispute[edit]

I have brought up some of our stylistic disagreements at the Village Pump under the heading Recurring style dispute, and invite you to make arguments for your particular positions on the matter. ~ Kalki·· 00:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

As you have admitted to your awareness that in many instances it can be MUCH harder for others to REVERSE the changes you are presently making than for you to make them, I am requesting that you cease from imposing your preferences on the pages where such style preferences have NOT been imposed, at least until there is a clear opportunity for a consensus decision on the matter to be established. ~ Kalki·· 02:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
At the moment, I am primarily working on pages that I created, or for which I have been a primary author, and pages that have a mix of some punctuated citations and some unpunctuated citations. BD2412 T 02:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Vietnam War[edit]

I added a few quotes to the page, and I thought you might be interested in Wikiquote:Transwiki/American History Primary Sources Cold War, which has about a dozen more quotes about this topic (although they are in need of better sourcing). Cheers! BD2412 T 15:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, a juicy sourcing project ­– and a transwiki at that! I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll take a look at it sometime in the next week. Thanks for the suggestion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

The Capture[edit]

Please restore this article so I can see if it can be rescued. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:27, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I have restored the page and moved it to User:DanielTom/The Capture, so that it can be worked on in peace. Please feel free to move it back to the mainspace when you feel it is up to it. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. DanielTom (talk) 17:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


Just a heads up, BD2412, regarding Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Blacklisted_social_networking_sites, I gave a comment there as I was directly mentioned by Ningauble regarding a prior admin action of mine. Due to a previous restriction you've placed on myself I will stop commenting further in that particular thread.

I will instead respectfully defer to the judgment of yourself and other admins in that discussion.

I hope you and your family are well during this holiday season.

I currently have limited and spotty Internet access so I am unfortunately not able to contribute that much or that actively lately.


-- Cirt (talk) 04:57, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Votes for deletion[edit]

Hi BD2412, since the deadline for discussion has passed, could you close this discussion? I must mention that there is a degree of urgency because the deletion of Brimstone's Commons pictures depends on whether there are articles to support the need for the pictures. Thank you very much. Starship.paint (talk) 05:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I generally prefer not to close discussions in which I have been a participant, if uninvolved admins are available to do so. There are plenty of other admins who are active on the site and did not participate - I would suggest asking User:UDScott, User:Ningauble, User:Mdd, or User:Abramsky. Cheers! BD2412 T 13:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for the info! Starship.paint (talk) 07:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


I already left this message before. Can you or another admin please protect my talk page. It is being met with vandalism again and I don't want to consistently revert the gibberish.

Additionally, please protect or semi-protect the following articles as they are being met with vandalism once again:

I would suggest heavy protection. I reverted them to before the vandalism began, but I would highly recommend that they be protected from all new users as most of the vandalism is being done by the same sockpuppets from prior. Reverting the edits only triggers more activity from this sockpuppeteer. I would suggest a checkuser again for all the most recent accounts that have vandalised these articles and my talk page as they are all likely one and the same. Please notify me when the protection has been made. Thanks in advance. - Zarbon (talk) 19:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

New project? – Harbottle's Dictionary of Quotations[edit]

Hi BD. Please check this dictionary; its translations from Latin into English are a bit awkward (and I'm guessing the same is true for those in Greek), but it is very comprehensive and well-sourced. Two examples for your consideration: Anacreon and Alexis. (The problem is, it doesn't have a Wikisource page, but you can still find it online, e.g., here.) What do you think, should we try to import it to Wikiquote? Interested? ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Excellent. I will begin this weekend with the uploads to English Wikisource, and once formatting there is underway, will begin porting quotes to a project page over here, from which they can be distributed to the appropriate author/topic pages. BD2412 T 18:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but won't it take a really long time before the transcription on Wikisource is done? ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
We won't need to wait for Wikisource to finish before we start porting quotes. BD2412 T 12:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

What does this maxim mean?[edit]

  • Pure friendship's well-feigned blush.
    • Lord Byron, Stanzas to Her who can Best Understand Them, Stanza 12.

--Spannerjam (talk) 09:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

This one, I do not know. BD2412 T 12:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
If you read the whole poem, it becomes clear. Lord Byron feels he has been wronged by this lady, claiming his heart was "in friendship cheated"—
Wast thou but a fiend, assuming
Friendship's smile, and woman's art,
And in borrow'd beauty blooming,
Trifling with a trusted heart!
"Pure friendship's well-feigned blush", I think, means that the blush was faked, and Lord Byron confirms this himself in the following verse (he refers to her smiles and blushing, that tricked him, as "false charms"). In these painful parting poems, it is customary to say that you forgive the lady, and hope for her happiness and longevity, which Byron does, but then he also peculiarly reminds her how her beauty will fade away, and goes further than Shakespeare (who also did this often), and hopes that she will then also feel the way he does now, imagining that at that time he will return as a ghost and whisper to her "friendship's broken vow". ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
This is not, by any interpretation, a maxim: it is not a general precept, but a description of a lady being demure.

This is a poem about friendship ruined by romance. Byron and the lady were friends, until she seduced him. He does not love her, and declares that they can no longer be friends. He feels betrayed: a true friend, with "pure friendship", would not have taken it too far and ruined the friendship.

The poem also emphasizes an ironic ambiguity: the smile, the twinkling eye, the blush, can all be innocently demure between friends, but they can also be a come-on; and and he accuses her [stanza 13]:

By all those false charms united,—
Thou hast wrought thy wanton will.
~ Ningauble (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
As you say, smiling and blushing were natural expressions of friendship by the female at the time, so what makes you think it was romance that ruined the friendship? (I guess it is because of the verses, "Not as man I looked on thee;— / Why like woman then undo me?") That you are friends with someone, and then find that she wants to be your lover, is hardly an affront, and would not necessarily have caused the sentiments expressed in this poem. "Thou hast wrought thy wanton will" does not imply anything romantic or sexual (in fact, if all her charms were forged, as Byron claims, then she might actually not have loved him at all); she could have "slighted" him, and betrayed their friendship, by, say, revealing secrets he had told no one but her. What makes you sure it was otherwise? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Time for closure[edit]

Been over one week.

RFA presently at 66.7 percent.

Plus additional Comments.

Time for closure?

-- Cirt (talk) 11:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Zoey 101[edit]

Perhaps you should semi-protect this page. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

(Requested at Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
This seems to be resolved. Sorry for my spotty availability recently. I have just finished an enormous project at work (publishing five books on different aspects of privacy law), so I should have more flexibility for a while. Cheers! BD2412 T 03:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh. No problem. You know, at my school, we (students) make fun of lawyers because—we say—they can't do even the most basic math operations. But the most common criticism made of lawyers is of their character. People say the meanest things about lawyers. I find this ironic, because when people get into big trouble, they invariably end up looking for help from (you've guess it) a lawyer. Needless to say, having a good lawyer and a good accountant is key for any business (Al Capone only got arrested because they caught his accountant). As for lawyers, I often say they have a very easy job: whatever the case, their client is always right. After all, lawyers don't have to worry about the truth—that's up to the judge to find. "Don't worry, my dear client, 'tis impossible to lose such a case!" (Of course, the hardest part of a lawyer's job, is when they have to ask their clients to pay.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Pope[edit]

Thanks, awesome work on this page and sub-pages. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks you very much. I'm a big fan of Pope. Thanks, also, for digging up those gems from Samuel Johnson. BD2412 T 14:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
(Pope is too sweet for my orc ears.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

As an aside, John Conington apparently believed Pope to be "the most correct of English poets". Now, I have a question for you: do you like this format? I do not, but the alternative blank spaces would make the first line appear to be floating—how would you present the quote? ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I haven't given it much thought before, but I prefer spaces. BD2412 T 03:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Then there are two options:

  •              Dryden taught to join
    The varying verse, the full resounding line,
    The long majestic march, and energy divine.


  •                            Dryden taught to join
    The varying verse, the full resounding line,
    The long majestic march, and energy divine.

Which of these do you prefer? ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The appearance may vary from monitor to monitor, but the first one looks to me like line 1 is centered of over line 2, so I would go with the second. BD2412 T 12:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Right, it's supposed to be centered. Last attempt: comparing the second option with the use of dots, which one looks better to you? ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
That's actually not bad. It certainly conveys the sense that this is a line from a continuing poem. BD2412 T 13:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I'm not sure this last format is acceptable from a scholarly point of view, but I guess we can stick with it for now. (If someone else comes along, and changes it into a better format, that'll be fine too.) Thanks for your input. ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Contact us[edit]

Your opinion is requested here. I would edit the page myself, but I cannot, because it's protected. Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


Can you please update your recent changes board? Or better yet, semi-protect it please? --GoldenBot (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

What "recent changes" board is that? BD2412 T 17:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
when you go to recent changes, you then see a big blue "board" at the top, could you please semi it? --~~Goldenburg111 17:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
You mean MediaWiki:Recentchangestext? I don't think that namespace can be edited by anyone but admins anyway. BD2412 T 17:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
well, your an administrator. Can you please update it to one request for bot (GoldenBot) --~~Goldenburg111 17:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Done, Cheers! BD2412 T 17:58, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thanks :) --~~Goldenburg111 18:07, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Silas Bent[edit]

Was there a previous history of/contents in this page, i.e., before the redirect? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Only the Silas Bent quote now on the Technology page (and various cleanup tags). BD2412 T 18:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


BD2412: As I was preparing to add quotes to this page (and move it over into the mainspace), it occurred to me that perhaps it might make sense to merge with Egotism. Thoughts? ~ UDScott (talk) 20:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree. BD2412 T 04:00, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind words about my conduct[edit]

BD2412, thank you very much for your kind words about my conduct which you stated at User_talk:Kalki#and_the_ANSWER_is:_Thought_and_respectful_consideration_.E2.80.94.C2.A0I_fear_that_might_seem_a_bit_alien_to_you.E2.80.A6_but_so_it_goes....

Your kind actions about my professional conduct, especially in light of other not so professional conduct, is truly most appreciated!

Thanks again,

-- Cirt (talk) 14:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I made a proposal, at Wikiquote:Village_pump#Proposal:_More_community_involvement_in_Quote_of_the_Day_process. BD2412, I respect your advice and input. If you know of a way I can improve my conduct to be even more professional in this discussion, or just any advice as to how to better facilitate this discussion, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 14:49, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

David Starr Jordan[edit]

I'd like to see the contents of this page. Can you restore it? Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Rather than restoring the page, I can just tell you exactly what was on it. There was a lede identical to the two-line lede in the subject's Wikipedia article; and there was a single unsourced quote (under an ==Unsourced== header) on the page, which was: "There is no real excellence in all this world which can be separated from right living". Other than categories and maintenance tags, that's all there was. BD2412 T 16:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
That was easy to source [9]. Why not restore it? ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
We have tens of thousands of unsourced quote that would be easy to source, given unlimited time. I have restored the page - please add the source info. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


Did you manage to use this template successfully? ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

It does not work here because the implementation relies on custom CSS and JavaScript that is present at Wikipedia but not at Wikiquote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
I see, thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


Wishing you Happy Easter. I thought I would create an article on Easter Sunday today but realized late that you had already done it as Easter. So I added all the quotes I gathered with references to the article. May like to see.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Usurpation Request (SUL)[edit]

Not a very urgent issue, but I just wanted to remind you of my request as the mentioned date has passed. D abhi (talk) 18:02, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries - I performed the usurpation. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks UDScott! BD2412 T 22:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


Just making a brief note of thanks for all the Wiktionary links you have been adding to the pages lately. Those are certainly very worthy and beneficial additions to the pages, and permit opportunities for greater expansion of awareness and appreciation of some of the multitudes of meanings many words can have. ~ Kalki·· 18:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It's my pleasure. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


What quotes did this page have (prior to deletion)? ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I have restored the page and moved it to User:DanielTom/Rice so that you can see/work on it. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The Odyssey of Homer (Alexander Pope)[edit]

I don't understand. Where did you get the first two quotes from? ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

The quotes on the page are either from Bartlett's 1919, or were already in the Alexander Pope page when I started making the breakout page. BD2412 T 21:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, Mr. Bartlett got it wrong then. I could only find these quotations in a 1968 edition of his Familiar Quotations [10] (as far as I know, they are not in Bartlett's 1919). I don't believe they are Pope's, so I'll be removing them from the article now, unless you object. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
They may already have been in Alexander Pope before I started adding 1919 quotes. If they are in any edition of Bartlett's, but not in Pope's actual work, I would suggest creating a Misattributed section on that page, so we can correct Mr. Bartlett's error. BD2412 T 23:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, good idea. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit]

The project isn't finished yet, but it wouldn't be much fun if it were. I hope the trip to London was well enjoyed. ~ Kalki·· 21:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back. Are there any reports or rumors that you can share about what transpired at the Wikimania session on the future of Wikiquote? (Last year's session about Wikiquote[11] did not record or publish its proceedings.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I did not end up attending that session. In fact, I spent almost the entirety of Wikimania beta testing various proposed upgrades, volunteering to man tables, and engaging in lengthy and indeterminate side discussions. Wikiquote did come up a few times in those discussions, particularly with respect to the potential use of Wikidata to organize quotes. BD2412 T 13:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

page move[edit]

Could you please move Nicholas John Griffin to Nick Griffin? ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done ~ UDScott (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users[edit]

Dear BD2412,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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  • Thanks for the notice. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)