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lame quote removed[edit]

A quote I removed with an explanation of "lame quote from a lame work" has been reinserted without stating the case for it,[1] so I have removed it again. I will elaborate on the reason for removal:

First, it should be noted that the quote already appears in the article for The Boondock Saints, for which the consensus of reviewers, according to Rotten Tomatoes, is "A juvenile, ugly movie that represents the worst tendencies of directors channeling Tarantino." This is why I refer to it as a "lame work".

The quote itself is a hackneyed and inelegant expression of an idea that has been said far more memorably by a variety of eloquent luminaries. This is why I refer to it as a "lame quote".

I have real reservations about including articles on this sort of film in Wikiquote, but I recognize there is a consensus for celebrating poop culture with little regard for quotability. I do not support polluting serious theme articles with childishness or hack writing. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

he[edit]

There was a line about a dog in a certain television show.  The line is available here on Wikiquote.  In the show, one character refers to the dog saying, "he was just sitting there."  The other character asks, "It's a 'he'?"  I was going to render that line to read "It's a 'he'?" and redirect "he" to males.  But, males redirects here, to an article clearly concerning human males.  Surely, it wouldn't make sense to redirect "he" to man if the quote is dealing with a canine male.

Perhaps we should get a non-species-specific article going for males and another for females?

Best,
allixpeeke (talk) 01:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Merge Misandry into Men[edit]

I recommend we merge both articles because:

  • These quotes about misandry are all about men and just as there is no page specifically for racism, or racists, just race, we could consolidate these into a single page. The pages for circumcision features sections for pro, con and neutral sections, while the page for drugs consolidates, education about, medical, legal, and philosophical views of into a single page making the quotes easier to find.
  • Maintaining separate pages for misandry, men and male supremacy requires too much subjective categorization as to whether a quote ascribing X trait to men as a whole is misandrist or supremacist and none of the quotes specifically use either of those terms. CensoredScribe (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • On Wikipedia, Misandry and Man (to which "Men" redirects) are separate articles. BD2412 T 13:49, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment also of note, Wikipedia doesn't have a page for male supremacy but does have pages for both patriarchy and masculism, the former of which Wikiquote has a page for, the later of which it does not; masculism is defined as advocacy for gains for men in society, while with patriarchy men are already in control of society, I believe that technically quotes simply stating men are superior with no comment on their position in society would be neither and fall more appropriately under supremacy. I'm also not sure what the difference between patriarchy and androcentrism is, or whether it would be of benefit to Wikiquote to create a separate page for that concept as well, in keeping with Wikipedia. We also have a page for masculinity, but not feminimity, which given is also the redirect for effeminacy appears more to do with cultural attitudes and aesthetic values than it does chromosomes. There is also, Men's liberation, Men's movement and Men's rights movement, to divvy up quotes between, should it be determined to be in our best interest to create pages for those as well. Although it is not something Wikipedia recognizes, as historically children aren't themselves active in politics and lack the voting rights of adults in what appears to be every country, (depending on the varying legal definition of child), further distinctions could be made between men and boys as well, though typically, unlike their adult counterparts, boys and girls are grouped together under the term child advocacy by wikipedia and not given further distinction. CensoredScribe (talk) 19:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)