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Romeo + Juliet[edit]

The page already existed but it was converted into a redirect (bad decision, imo). ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmm.  While I know it's discouraged for people to make pages out of pages that were previously voted to be deleted, I think Romeo + Juliet nevertheless does merit being rebuilt.  The script to Romeo + Juliet isn't identical to the script to Romeo and Juliet, as some characters are changed or even eliminated, and as some names are also changed, which none of the voters for deletion seemed to've taken into account.  But, moreover, a page for the film would have quotes and details that the page for the play necessarily lacks, including a list of taglines, a cast list, a unique introduction, quotes about the film from critics, and possibly even quotes from the film's soundtrack.  But, alas, I have not the time for such an endeavour.  Hopefully someone will.

Thanks for the heads up.  allixpeeke (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

User:DanielTom, if the Wikiquote community should ever come around to the opinion that Romeo + Juliet indeed does merit its own article, I have constructed a pretty good mock-up here.  The only thing it lacks are actual quotes from the film.  allixpeeke (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
See here again—the page had quotes. So you can get them from there. The only problem now is that for the page to be recreated, it would have to go through Deletion review, which can literally take forever. ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but I worry about the preciseness of those quotes.  After all, the introduction on that page makes reference to two separate films, and just as the Romeo + Juliet script is not identical to Shakespeare's original, it's also not identical to Romeo and Juliet (1968 film).  We would need someone who has access to Romeo + Juliet in order to verify each line that is added to the new page, and although I own a copy of the soundtrack, I don't own a copy of the film.

Do you own a copy of the film?  If so, I grant you permission to edit the quotes from the film section of my mockup.  Further, if there is an audio commentary track, I likewise grant you permission to edit the quotes about the film section.

allixpeeke (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

The quotes were all from the 1996 film, but, if you care to compare, you will note I made a few corrections (e.g., "'Tis I never saw true beauty 'till this night." → "For I never saw true beauty till this night."; "a pair of star crossed lovers take thier lives." → "a pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life.", &c.). I might add, there's an even better Shakespeare film of 1996: Branagh's Hamlet. Cheers! ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
DanielTom, wonderful!  I do have to ask, though, is the line in the film "Romeo.  Oh, Romeo!  Wherefore art thou Romeo?" or "Oh, Romeo.  Romeo!  Wherefore art thou Romeo?"  The page says one thing and IMDb says another.

In any event, I went in and added some more pictures, added some links, added some quotes from the filmmakers, and, with the aid of YouTube, added a couple dialogues.  I also added notation to indicate where the film's script differs from Shakespeare's.

All in all, I think the page is looking good.  I think, given the many features of the article that are applicable to this film but not applicable to the original play (i.e., the introduction, quotes about the film, soundtrack quotes, and notes on the differences between this and the original), we would have a pretty solid case going forward in the deletion review.  Anything else you think should be added or changed before we make it official?

allixpeeke (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there are some slight differences: In the play Juliet says "O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?", but in this film she says "Romeo. O Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo?" (and "That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet"). I completely agree with your assessment. (If it were up to me, I would would even skip deletion review, and just create/replace the redirect Romeo + Juliet with what you have, but following the formal process is more recommendable.) The only thing I don't like in your current version is the red links, but that's merely an aesthetic concern. ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

William Fergus Martin[edit]

William Fergus Martin has been listed at Votes for deletion after you removed a {{prod}} from it. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/William Fergus Martin. Thank you. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm?  The only ones from which I removed {{prod}} were ones to which I added sources.  allixpeeke (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see.  Your reason was "This writer does not appear to be sufficiently notable for a Wikiquote article."  Although most {{prod}}s concern themselves with lack of appropriate sources, this one was about the notability of the author.  allixpeeke (talk) 15:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)