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Romeo + Juliet[edit]

The page already existed but it was converted into a redirect (bad decision, imo). ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmm.  While I know it's discouraged for people to make pages out of pages that were previously voted to be deleted, I think Romeo + Juliet nevertheless does merit being rebuilt.  The script to Romeo + Juliet isn't identical to the script to Romeo and Juliet, as some characters are changed or even eliminated, and as some names are also changed, which none of the voters for deletion seemed to've taken into account.  But, moreover, a page for the film would have quotes and details that the page for the play necessarily lacks, including a list of taglines, a cast list, a unique introduction, quotes about the film from critics, and possibly even quotes from the film's soundtrack.  But, alas, I have not the time for such an endeavour.  Hopefully someone will.

Thanks for the heads up.  allixpeeke (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

User:DanielTom, if the Wikiquote community should ever come around to the opinion that Romeo + Juliet indeed does merit its own article, I have constructed a pretty good mock-up here.  The only thing it lacks are actual quotes from the film.  allixpeeke (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
See here again—the page had quotes. So you can get them from there. The only problem now is that for the page to be recreated, it would have to go through Deletion review, which can literally take forever. ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but I worry about the preciseness of those quotes.  After all, the introduction on that page makes reference to two separate films, and just as the Romeo + Juliet script is not identical to Shakespeare's original, it's also not identical to Romeo and Juliet (1968 film).  We would need someone who has access to Romeo + Juliet in order to verify each line that is added to the new page, and although I own a copy of the soundtrack, I don't own a copy of the film.

Do you own a copy of the film?  If so, I grant you permission to edit the quotes from the film section of my mockup.  Further, if there is an audio commentary track, I likewise grant you permission to edit the quotes about the film section.

allixpeeke (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

The quotes were all from the 1996 film, but, if you care to compare, you will note I made a few corrections (e.g., "'Tis I never saw true beauty 'till this night." → "For I never saw true beauty till this night."; "a pair of star crossed lovers take thier lives." → "a pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life.", &c.). I might add, there's an even better Shakespeare film of 1996: Branagh's Hamlet. Cheers! ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
DanielTom, wonderful!  I do have to ask, though, is the line in the film "Romeo.  Oh, Romeo!  Wherefore art thou Romeo?" or "Oh, Romeo.  Romeo!  Wherefore art thou Romeo?"  The page says one thing and IMDb says another.

In any event, I went in and added some more pictures, added some links, added some quotes from the filmmakers, and, with the aid of YouTube, added a couple dialogues.  I also added notation to indicate where the film's script differs from Shakespeare's.

All in all, I think the page is looking good.  I think, given the many features of the article that are applicable to this film but not applicable to the original play (i.e., the introduction, quotes about the film, soundtrack quotes, and notes on the differences between this and the original), we would have a pretty solid case going forward in the deletion review.  Anything else you think should be added or changed before we make it official?

allixpeeke (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there are some slight differences: In the play Juliet says "O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?", but in this film she says "Romeo. O Romeo! Wherefore art thou Romeo?" (and "That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet"). I completely agree with your assessment. (If it were up to me, I would would even skip deletion review, and just create/replace the redirect Romeo + Juliet with what you have, but following the formal process is more recommendable.) The only thing I don't like in your current version is the red links, but that's merely an aesthetic concern. ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

William Fergus Martin[edit]

William Fergus Martin has been listed at Votes for deletion after you removed a {{prod}} from it. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/William Fergus Martin. Thank you. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm?  The only ones from which I removed {{prod}} were ones to which I added sources.  allixpeeke (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see.  Your reason was "This writer does not appear to be sufficiently notable for a Wikiquote article."  Although most {{prod}}s concern themselves with lack of appropriate sources, this one was about the notability of the author.  allixpeeke (talk) 15:26, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Your wise input would be appreciated[edit]

Curious about your thoughts here Talk:Jim Henson ?

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 17:36, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Two cents delivered.  : )   allixpeeke (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Could you keep an eye on the page Jim Henson, and the deletion discussion page Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Jim Henson ? It seems a method is being used to try to get the page deleted, by removing sourced quotes, from the page, while the page itself is in an ongoing deletion discussion. -- Cirt (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Kamen rider blah blah blah ...[edit]

Hi, thank you for your tagging (and I agree it'd better to be deleted), but a slight disagreement; the topic is not nonsense imo ... it's relevant to a Japan made TV show and perhaps derivative toy's commercial (I haven't watched though, but it's another matter). I suspect it's a whole script of tv commercial, and out of scope of our mission. But what you don't know is not always nonsense. The subject is notable - sort of. My two yen. --Aphaia (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.  allixpeeke (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Chinese language[edit]

Hello Allixpeeke, I noticed you added the section "external links" to the subj, and introduced the link汉语 which currently leads nowhere (it is also not external but rather internal, if only it led to the page with that name). My question is, are you planning on creating this (currenly missing) page on Chinese wikiquote? -Tar-ba-gan (talk) 10:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah.  I didn't realise the page didn't have quotes.  I replaced it with something more appropriate.  Cheers, allixpeeke (talk) 10:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
This surely is better, thanks! Tar-ba-gan (talk) 10:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

two spaces[edit]

Have you read this? ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


The piece claims, "Because we've all switched to modern fonts, adding two spaces after a period no longer enhances readability, typographers say.  It diminishes it."  I could not disagree more.  Even if a case can be made that it is not "necessary," I still find it far easier to read texts that include the double-space between sentences than texts that don't.  There's just something…uncomfortable about seeing a new sentence start too close to the end punctuation of the preceding sentence.

For what it's worth, I far prefer this piece, published on the same site on the same day.  To quote the latter piece, "Manjoo's argument about beauty, like all such arguments, is easy enough to dismiss: I disagree.  I find it easier to read paragraphs that are composed of sentences separated by two spaces.  …  But there's also a deeper beauty to the two space rule—a sort of mathematical beauty."

Nevertheless, I thank you for the link.

allixpeeke (talk) 00:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that article too. " "Thanks for your reply. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


The article is factually wrong.  It claims that the double-space was started because of typewriters (and, specifically, mono-spaced typewriters).  According to Wikipedia, the first commercially successful typewriter was invented in 1868, and yet the double-space was popular well before that.  Take for instance this 1845 publication.  Not only does it employ the double-space, its characters are not mono-spaced, to boot.

No, the reason why the double-space began falling out of favour was the commercial pressure to reduce cost in the mid-twentieth century.  By no longer adhering to the tradition of double spacing, the man-hours required to set type was reduced, thus saving the publishers money.  (They also saved a bit of money on paper.)

But now, we are in the age of the Internet.  I've no publisher breathing down my neck telling me I must buck the double-space tradition simply so that she or he needn't pay me as much, nor do I see any reason for concern over the miniscule cost increase associated with using a few more bits of data requisite to double space.

allixpeeke (talk) 09:24, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

may I please talk to you[edit]

regards Me-myself22 (talk) 10:19, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Commence.  allixpeeke (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I must wonder whether Me-myself22, User:Allah-waliah, and are not the same person.  Yesterday, Me-myself22 (who had only ever made two other edits on all of Wikiquote, both relating to Karan Singh Grover) posts this random request to my talk page.  (Why this editor didn't simply say whatever it was she or he wished to say, instead of first asking permission to say it, is beyond me.)  I respond in the affirmative.  No further communication from Me-myself22.  Today, someone with the IP address edited this section of my talk page to make this request.  (The person has to make five edits within the period of six minutes in order to perfect her or his message, apparently.  See 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.)  The message requests that I check out recent edits to Karan Singh Grover, claiming these edits are "wrong" and specifically calling out two editors, Dharmashdyan and digviijay.  Upon checking the page history, however, I can see that no such editors have made any edits, nor can it be said that any edits been made to vandalise the page.  It appeared that the request may have pertained to the Wikipedia page on Karan Singh Grover—a page, I must note, that I have never edited, nor even read, a page in which I have absolutely zero interest.  Yet, I can see no evidence of any editors by those usernames having edited that page, either.  Thus, this request appears utterly nonsensical.  These five edits are the only edits has made on Wikiquote.  Forty minutes later, Allah-waliah greatly truncated the request, replacing the IP signature with her or his own username signature.  Although truncated, the basic request that I check the Karan Singh Grover for vandalism remained intact—but, of course, there was no vandalism done to that Wikiquote page, as I said above.  One minute after that, Allah-waliah (who also has almost no edits here) eliminates the request altogether, thus leaving the page as it had been yesterday.  I really do not want to deal with this sort of nonsense.  It appears that the only reason I am being involved in this nonsense is because of my keep vote here.  Should I receive any further requests that seem to pertain to the Wikipedia article on Karan Singh Grover, or that are nonsensical requests made by editors that seem to have simply created accounts here in order to promote Karan Singh Grover, I shall remove my keep vote.  allixpeeke (talk) 21:22, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for your work on the new templates for franchises - just pne note: it does not appear that the templates are working on all the pages. I assume you will eventually go back and fix them, but I wanted to call your attention to them. The templates do not always seems to work on the individual pages for the works in the franchise (see Despicable Me or Child's Play (1988 film) for example). Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


I am not sure what you're talking about.  I checked all three Despicable Me pages, and the template is working on all of them.  Then I checked the five Chucky pages, and, again, the template was working on all five.  Perhaps it's your computer?

allixpeeke (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I don;t know - when I look at those pages (and a few others), I see a red-link to the template. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:24, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
OK, never mind. When I re-sync the time, they appear. No worries. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:25, 16 November 2015 (UTC)