User talk:Fang Aili

Hi Fang Aili. Welcome to English Wikiquote.

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Enjoy! Cbrown1023 talk 17:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Answers:

1. It depends on the circumstances, and if you do it, you must copy the history from the page and post it on the talk page or an article subpage because of w:GFDL reasons. What types of instances are you talking about?
2. No, there isn't featured content as of yet. However, we have a listing of article templates that show you what you should do for different article subjects.
3. There isn't a redirect button because there just isn't. Redirects are frequently used and there is no problem using them, Wikiquote:Templates#Redirect pages has more information.

Feel free to contact me again if you have any more questions or problems. Cbrown1023 talk 20:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The Return of the King

Hi InvisibleSun. I noticed that you edit The Return of the King. Do you know what the deal is with all the seemingly indiscriminate bolding? Should it all be removed? Thanks, Fang Aili 20:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

For a discussion of bolding, there is an archived Village Pump topic here, dated July/August 2006, which provides an overview of the matter. - InvisibleSun 21:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

So basically there is no consensus one way or the other. Thanks for the link. --Fang Aili 22:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

newbie questions

Hi Jeff. I noticed you added a {{no-intro}} tag at Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. I took part of the intro from Wikipedia and put it in. Is this acceptable? Also, does Wikiquote have "featured article" content like Wikipedia has? I'd like to look at a page great page as an example (rather than trying to read through the style guidelines). Thank you! --Fang Aili 15:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Excerpting the WP intro is exactly what we tend to do, so you're right on track there. As far as "featured articles", we don't really have that system here. We feature "new pages" (specifically articles), which a sysop (usually Kalki) selects at random and/or to give them visibility for editing, so they may be great or terrible. I personally don't think we have the community participation to instigate a "featured article" system, or even maintain an informal list (since we don't have the editorship to watch over FA'd articles to ensure they don't degenerate over time).

On top of all this, we don't really have much in the way of standards for electronic-game articles yet. I'm afraid that the current set doesn't inspire much interest among the regular editors to invest the time to create standards, especially since it's hard to apply Wikimedia-standard guidelines to these. Two examples of EG-specific challenges:

• How can we adequately cite a specific source, like the equivalent of a page number in a book, for a game quote? Sourcing is vital to achieve the project's goal of verifiable material.

• Most EG editors treat Wikiquote as a place to post everything that a game contains, which is not only a blatant copyright violation, but a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikiquote is — a compendium of quotes selected for being especially pithy (i.e., short and memorable). Long tracts of dialog, quotes that merely reveal plot points, and other miscellania are not what we want here. Quotes should be the kind of thing one cites to another when remarking on a situation that reminds one of the quote — like someone saying "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child" (William Shakespeare, King Lear, act I, scene 4) when observing a child's hissy fit.

Perhaps this gives a flavor for the kinds of problems we're having with this genre at the moment. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! You and User:Cbrown1023 seem to disagree about intros: he thought that I would have to copy the edit history and such before adding content from Wikipedia.[1] This seems overly complicated and unnecessary (despite being involved at several wikimedia projects I have yet to grasp all the details of GFDL); is it really necessary? It might even be impossible considering the very lengthy edit histories that some articles have.

About video game articles in general, I just happened upon Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories by using the random page link. I don't have any specific interest in video game quotes.

I get the feeling that the community here is quite small. (Only, what, 15 admins?) Is this a correct assumption?

Thank you, Fang Aili 18:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Q and I are both right in the basis, you can copy the minimum, but you should write it your own words. The idea of the w:GFDL is that we can't have the text posted without giving attribution to the authors/publishers, in this case, that is what the History of the article does. So, basically, if we don't keep the history of an article intact, we are, in essense, breaking the law. But, as "it depends on the circumstances", this is okay. If you were to copy and entire Wikipedia article, then you would have had to do what I suggested in the first place. But in this case, do what Jeff Q says. :) Cbrown1023 talk 18:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and Wikiquote has 17 admins. However, 5 only have sysop privileges for technical reasons and some others are inactive. Cbrown1023 talk 18:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Slight clarification: as far as I've noticed, all 17 admins still have at least sysop privileges; everyone listed at WQ:ADMIN below Kalki has only sysop privileges (I'm not sure, but I think Nanobug is also just a sysop); and everyone below Quadell at least pops in from time to time, except MosheZadka (who we haven't heard from since January 2006, much to our loss). Kalki, myself, Aphaia, UDScott, LrdChaos, InvisibleSun, and Fys are currently making substantial edits here. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Copying this comment's thought process from Jeff: Although the community is quite small, Wikiquotes are the third most productive Wikimedia projects (behind Wikipedia and Wiktionary) and the English Wikiquote is the larges of the Wikiquotes. Cbrown1023 talk 18:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ouch! Cbrown1023 raises a point I'd never thought of, that we should be explicitly crediting the excerpting of WP intros. I could argue that I always include the statement "+WP intro" or a variation in the edit summary, and that credit to a WP article in the edit summary satisfies GFDL. But the truth is that I just didn't think about this (despite my harping elsewhere about credit for transwikis), and "WP" isn't exactly an explicit credit like, say, "+w:Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories intro" would be. Since there is a basic connection to our sister project's works, I don't plan to go back and improve on the connection for existing instances unless it's identified as an urgent problem. But I would highly recommend that we include the full WP article links in future edit summaries, as shown here, wherever we lift WP material. Thanks for pointing this out, Cbrown1023! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. To be specific about the GFDL & WP link credit, anyone can use Wikipedia material for whatever purpose, verbatim, as long as they include a specific credit to the article it is taken from. Mergers, which must also obey GFDL, allow for crediting of the originating article with a link in the edit summary, or article talk page if it's too complicated or lengthy to fit in a summary. Therefore, I conclude that an interwiki link to the WP article in the edit summary should allow for verbatim copying (other than adjusting links in the text, of course). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both for your answers! I'll add the wikipedia link when I add intros in the future. Cheers, Fang Aili ^talk 14:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)