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Pedagogy[edit]

There is only a "teachers" and not "teaching" page. The sociologist Piaget has good quotes in his book (which may be a spin-off of Librairie du Recueil's “A Structural Foundation for Tomorrow’s Education," Piaget's only source):

There are more good quotes, but they fit more into other categories, besides pedagogy, such that relate to autodidactism--“diplomas that signify the end of all secondary studies” p. 62--and one that would best fit in the page on learning: “...lead the child to construct for himself the tools that will transform him from the inside--that is, in a real sense and not only on the surface.” p. 121.

The reason I did not put in these quotes: I am new (and have not read how to properly edit--yet). Aeroadam (talk) 02:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

You will learn by doing. Remember that Wikipedia's and Wikiquote's unofficial motto is be bold. I added your second quote, but not the first one, because I don't really understand it. --Spannerjam (talk) 19:45, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization[edit]

Be there a reason we have all the sections in lowercase? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.89.146.105 (talkcontribs) 00:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The above editor changed the all-lowercase headings to mostly-uppercase. I later changed them to the correct sentence case form per Wikiquote:Manual of style. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Is Einstein's quote really against education systems?[edit]

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school. -- Einstein"

To me that's saying that when you learn things in school, you develop. Later on, you forget the things you've learned, but the development remains.

Is there evidence that Einstein intended this quote to be against education systems? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.19.6 (talkcontribs) 03:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I moved the Einstein quote to the general unsourced section. This is the hazard of attempting to interpret quotes (by categorizing them, as this article does) instead of just reporting them and including sources. Without a source, we have no way of knowing exactly what Einstein's context was. What happens is that quote services propagate the quote without its context, and people just read into the quote whatever they wish to. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I've corrected the wording and attribution of "Education is what is left after all that has been learnt is forgotten." According to the authoritative Yale Book of Quotations (searchable through Google Books) it was by James Bryant Conant as a Harvard Freshman in 1910-1911, not B.F. Skinner. Nor Albert Einstein (I've removed the quote from Unsourced). 4granite 04:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


"Bush-isms"[edit]

There are several so called "Bush-isms" near in the For Education section. All they are is Bush fumbling with the english language. So he isn't a good speaker. The quotes have no real value, so should be deleted. -SgtHydra

Mary Wollstonecraft[edit]

I think a cultural misunderstanding has led to the Mary Wollstoncraft quote being wrongly interpreted as an argument against state education. Wollstonecraft's work focused on the lack of universal access to education for middle class women in England, and that this inequality manifested itself in the subordinate role women held in society at that stage. Her argument was that the provision of universal education was the only means by which females could aspire to the same status as men. In the UK, a public school is not synonymous with a state school; public school was initially meant in the sense that it was open to the general public, if they could afford to pay the enrollment fees, so the distinction in the UK was between public schools (privately funded) and state schools (publically funded), meaning that the 'public schools' Woolstonecraft was referring to were almost certainly not part of a state education system.

"Public school" is still used in Britain for independent, fee-paying, non-state schools, especially the most prestigious of them such as Harrow and Eton, which Wollstonecraft visited. See Public school.
Quite right. I have moved the quote from the section on state education. (See also English language#British vs. American English). ~ Ningauble 18:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Education Quotes[edit]

When you Discuss about the education, education is the thing which is not only necessary to get the job. But it is also important to produce the gentlemen for the societies, to understand the Religions, understand the humanity, understand how to live life in different circumstances. Education give light to your dark paths in the way of your Life paths. When you look at the education financial benefits these are endless. You can earn as much as you can using your skills. Work in your interesting fields, give you chance to enhance your skills and talent and proof yourself in the world. So many great writers writes many Education Quotes like Bertrand A. Russell, William Lowe Bryan, Sir Winston Churchill and many others just to promote the value and benefits of the education.

Hoyt's plugged in[edit]

I have added a section of quotes from the public domain collection in Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations. Some of these will likely duplicate quotes already in this article, hopefully allowing currently unsourced quotes to be deleted. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced[edit]

If you can provide a precise and verifiable source for any quote on this list please move it to Education.

General[edit]

  • [w]e cannot violate the principles of liberty in regard to education without furnishing at once a precedent and inducement toviolate them in regard to other matters.
  • Education is what is left after all that has been learnt is forgotten.
  • Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery.
  • The difference between a man and an animal is that a man is educated and animals are not.
  • An education is the investment with the greatest returns
  • Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
  • To be well-informed is to have the world at your fingers.
  • "I never learned anything at all in school and didn't read a book for pleasure until I was 19 years old."
  • School is punishment for the crime of being young.
    • Nana Lee
  • The education of a man is never completed until he dies.
  • That erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.
  • Teach a man to reason, and he will think for a lifetime.
    • Phil Plait
  • "The dream begins with a teacher who believes in you, who tugs and pushes and leads you to the next plateau, sometimes poking you with a sharp stick called 'truth.'"
  • The better the citizenry as a whole are educated, the wider and more sensible public participation, debate and social mobility will be...Highly sophisticated Élites are the easiest and least original thing a society can produce. The most difficult and the most valuable is a well-educated populace.
  • The child is regarded as a sort of a little beast, a kind of young ape, at best a little savage. The child, accordingly, is trained to act not by the light of reason, but by the command of superior force. The child is ruled by fear. Our young generation is trained by fear into discipline and obedience. We thus suppress the natural genius and originality of the child, we favor and raise mediocrity, and cultivate the philistine, the product of education, ruled by rod, not by thought.
    • Boris Sidis, Lecture on the abuse of the fear instinct in early education
  • It has been written that Boris "laid down a course of study for him in infancy." Nothing could be sillier. We tried to cultivate his curiosity on all subjects, and when he asked to answer fully, and to lead him to a greater curiosity so that he would go and find out for himself. But we never tried to push him an inch along any mental path in which he was not interested.
  • Whatever you would have your children become, strive to exhibit in your own lives and conversation."
  • College is about three things: homework fun and sleep ... but you can only choose two.
  • Education Public - "It is established that education is absolutely vital for an advancing society, the point I am arguing is that state education creates a level playing field for all students regardless of colour, creed and class.
    • Julien V. Tempone, youth of the year award winner; for this exert on his speech on equality, 2006
  • Here's a lesson for all teachers: You may know what you're saying, but you never know what you're teaching.
  • Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught.
  • Learning is like a jigsaw puzzle. When you first lay the pieces out, it doesn't make much sense. When you start to connect the pieces, you then begin to see how it all fits together.
    • Anonymous
  • Knowledge is a wild thing, it must be hunted before being tamed.
    • Anonymous
  • Gosh, its alot like school here isnt it?
  • "Regarding testing, students are like flowers. If we keep measuring them, will grow?"
    • Anonymous
  • Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
  • Gentlemen, you are now about to embark on a course of studies which will occupy you for two years. Together, they form a noble adventure. But I would like to remind you of an important point. Nothing that you will learn in the course of your studies will be of the slightest possible use to you in after life, save only this, that if you work hard and intelligently you should be able to detect when a man is talking rot, and that, in my view, is the main, if not the sole, purpose of education.
  • Self-expression will not solve the problems of education. Nor will technology and vocational guidance; nor the classics and the Hundred Best Books.
  • The vanity of teaching doth oft tempt a man to forget that he is a blockhead
    • George Saville
  • Education...has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading.
    • George Macaulay Trevelyan
  • If it should happen that the arbitrary character of the delimitation imposed by school taxonomies, between what deserves to be taught(the "classics") and what does not, be unmasked when, for instance, the inertia of the educational system, with its tendency to retain on the syllabus anything that has ever found its way there, goes too directly against interests of this or that category of privileged users-the principles underlying these hierarchies and, a fortiori, the petitio principi implied in the very fact of hierarchization are neither perceived nor challenged because by following arbitrary indoctrination whose tendency is to conceal the arbitrary character of that indoctrination and of what it has taught, the differences produced by the application of arbitrary hierarchization principle are experienced as being part of the objects which they differentiate, as it were logically pre-exists the principle of which they are products.
    • London Times Literary Supplement

Self-education and home education[edit]

  • "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."
  • I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.
  • "The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them."
  • The education of a man is never completed until he dies.
  • All men who have turned out worth anything have had the chief hand in their own education.

Raising children[edit]

[citation needed]

  • Parents wonder why the streams are bitter, when they themselves have poisoned the fountain.
  • "To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society."
  • You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
  • The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.
  • Let any one examine the pedagogic literature of the present; he who is not shocked at its utter poverty of spirit and its ridiculously awkward antics is beyond being spoiled. Here our philosophy must not begin with wonder but with dread; he who feels no dread at this point must be asked not to meddle with pedagogic questions.
  • A child educated only at school is an uneducated child.
    • George Santayana

Goal of education[edit]

[citation needed]

  • [Schools are] "in which raw products, children, are to be shaped and formed into finished products... manufactured like nails, and the specifications for manufacturing will come from government and industry.
  • Every teacher should realize... that he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of the proper social order and the secring of the right social growth.
  • We shall not make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from amonth them authors, educatiors, poets or men of letters... The task we set before ourselves is very simple... we will organize children... and teach them to do in a perfect way the things [obediance] their fathers and mothers are doing in a imperfect way.
  • But if you ask what is the good of education in general, the answer is easy: that education makes good men, and that good men act nobly.
    • Plato, Greek philosopher (c. 428–c. 348)
  • Educate the heart. Let us have good men.
  • Education would be much more effective if its purpose were to ensure that by the time they leave school every student should know how much they don't know, and be imbued with a lifelong desire to know it.
  • If we are to reach real peace in this world ... we shall have to begin with the children.
  • No one has yet fully realized the wealth of sympathy, kindness and generosity hidden in the soul of a child. The effort of every true education should be to unlock that treasure.
    • Emma Goldman, Lithuanian-American anarchist writer, lecturer and activist (1869-1940)
  • The object of education is to prepare the young to educate themselves throughout their lives.
  • Life doesn't revolve around what you need to know, it revolves around what you need to understand.
  • Education is a method by which one acquires a higher grade of prejudices.

Role models[edit]

  • Children need models rather than critics.
  • "A poor teacher complains, an average teacher explains, a good teacher teaches, a great teacher inspires."
  • The prime task of public education, as it came widely to be understood in this country, was political: to make the citizen more knowledgeable and thus better able to think and to judge of public affairs. In time, the function of education shifted from the political to the economic: to train people for better-paying jobs and thus to get ahead. This is especially true of the high-school movement, which has met the business demands for white-collar skills at the public's expense. In large part education has become merely vocational; in so far as its political task is concerned, in many schools, that has been reduced to a routine training of nationalist loyalties.
  • "Don't worry that children never listen to you. Worry that they are always watching you."
  • I've come to the frightening conclusion that I am the decisive element in the classroom. My personal approach creates a climate. My daily mood makes the weather. As a teacher, I possess tremendous power to make a child's life miserable or joyous. I can be the tool of torture or an instrument of inspiration. I can humiliate or humor. Hurt or heal. In all situations, it is my response that decides whether a crisis will be escalated or de-escalated and a child humanized or de-humanized.
  • The best way to teach morality is to make it a habit with children.
    • Aristotle, Greek philosopher (384-322 B.C.)
  • "The question for the child is not 'Do I want to be good?' but 'Whom do I want to be like?'"
  • The important thing is not so much that every child should be taught, as that every child should be given the wish to learn.
  • Music education begins nine months before the birth of the mother.
  • It is the kindness and not the harshness in the headmaster's voice that pushes tough boys to cry.
    • Yiddish proverb

Against education[edit]

Against the conventional educational system (school)[edit]

  • Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of inert facts.
  • School is practice for the future, and practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect, so why practice?
  • "I suppose it is because nearly all children go to school nowadays, and have things arranged for them, that they seem so forlornly unable to produce their own ideas."
  • Natural ability without education has more often raised a man to glory and virtue than education without natural ability.
  • Press on. Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing in the world is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
  • Each year the child is coming to belong more to the State and less and less to the parent
  • There is no human reason why a child should not admire and emulate his teacher's ability to do sums, rather than the village bum's ability to whittle sticks and smoke cigarettes. The reason why the child does not is plain enough - the bum has put himself on an equality with him and the teacher has not.
  • Whatever the explanation, it's perfectly obvious that our educational system has nothing to do with education: it's a babysitting service designed to replicate the worst qualities of the parents.
  • How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.
  • Education is the process of casting false pearls before real swine.
  • We are students of words; we are shut up in schools, and colleges, and recitation rooms, for ten or fifteen years, and come out at last with a bag of wind, a memory of words, and do not know a thing.
  • Education makes machines which act like men and produces men who act like machines.
  • The chief reason for going to school is to get the impression fixed for life that there is a book side for everything.
  • When you take the free will out of education, that turns it into schooling
  • I am entirely certain that twenty years from now we will look back at education as it is practiced in most schools today and wonder that we could have tolerated anything so primitive.
  • There are only two places in the world where time takes precedence over the job to be done. School and prison.
  • Talent develops in tranquillity, character in the full current of human life."
  • Instead of studying for finals, what about just going to the Bahamas and catching some rays? Maybe you'll flunk, but you might have flunked anyway; that's my point.
  • No use to shout at them to pay attention. If the situations, the materials, the problems before the child do not interest him, his attention will slip off to what does interest him, and no amount of exhortation of threats will bring it back.
  • Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education.
  • Education is not to reform students or amuse them or to make them expert technicians. It is to unsettle their minds, widen their horizons, inflame their intellects, teach them to think straight, if possible.
  • [Schools:] vast factories for the manufacture of robots.
    • Robert Lindner (1914-1956)
  • School days, I believe, are the unhappiest in the whole span of human existence.
  • The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.
  • Education, the great mumbo jumbo and fraud of the age purports to equip us to live and is prescribed as a universal remedy for everything from juvenile delinquency to premature senility.
  • I believe that the testing of the student's achievements in order to see if he meets some criterion held by the teacher, is directly contrary to the implications of therapy for significant learning.
  • My schooling not only failed to teach me what it professed to be teaching, but prevented me from being educated to an extent which infuriates me when I think of all I might have learned at home by myself.
  • Education is a private matter between the person and the world of knowledge and experience, and has little to do with school or college.
  • Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense.
  • Take at hazard one hundred children of several educated generations and one hundred uneducated children of the people and compare them in anything you please; in strength, in agility, in mind, in the ability to acquire knowledge, even in morality—and in all respects you are startled by the vast superiority on the side of the children of the uneducated.
  • Education...has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading.
  • Education rears disciples, imitators, and routinists, not pioneers of new ideas and creative geniuses. The schools are not nurseries of progress and improvement, but conservatories of tradition and unvarying modes of thought.
  • Intelligence appears to be the thing that enables a man to get along without education. Education enables a man to get along without the use of his intelligence.
    • Albert Edward Wiggam
  • when a snowflake falls from the sky it is individual and unique but the moment it is brought into a class room everyone turns into the same drop of water.
  • As you can see, I have memorized this utterly useless piece of information long enough to pass a test question. I now intend to forget it forever. You've taught me nothing except how to cynically manipulate the system. Congratulations.

Against state education[edit]

  • America believes in education: the average professor earns more money in a year than a professional athlete earns in a whole week.
  • Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mundane educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom, go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts.
  • The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately... education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence. in Grosvenor Square.
  • To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
  • The founding fathers in their wisdom decided that children were an unnatural strain on their parents. So they provided jails called school, equipped with tortures called education.
  • Academies that are founded at public expense are instituted not so much to cultivate men's natural abilities as to restrain them.
  • Years of centralized education have produced nothing but failure and frustrated parents. We can resurrect our public school system if we follow the Constitution and end the federal education monopoly.
  • Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.

For education[edit]

For state education[edit]

  • Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
  • Education makes a people easy to lead, but difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.
    • Henry Peter Brougham, Scottish Whig politician (Speech, January 29, 1828, to the House of Commons)
  • I just love the idea of a school in which people come to get educated and stay in the state in which they're educated.
  • The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of the fantastic opportunistic society.
  • Education, then, beyond all other devices of human origin ... the great equalizer of the conditions of men - the balance-wheel of the social machinery. It does better than to disarm the poor of their hostility toward the rich; it prevents being poor.
  • I know, (there is) no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of society, but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.
  • Schools should be factories in which raw products, children, are to be shaped and formed into finished products. . . manufactured like nails, and the specifications for manufacturing will come from government and industry.
    • Elwood Cubberly, future Dean of education at Stanford, in his 1905 dissertation for Columbia Teachers College.
  • Ninety-nine [students] out of a hundred are automata, careful to walk in prescribed paths, careful to follow the prescribed custom. This is not an accident but the result of substantial education, which, scientifically defined, is the subsumption of the individual.
  • The great purpose of school can be realized better in dark, airless, ugly places. … It is to master the physical self, to transcend the beauty of nature. School should develop the power to withdraw from the external world.
  • We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a very much larger class of necessity, to forego the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.
    • Woodrow Wilson in a speech to businessmen, and from an address to The New York City High School Teachers Association, Jan. 9th, 1909
  • It is the State which educates its citizens in civic virtue, gives them a consciousness of their mission and welds them into unity.
  • In our dreams, people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present eduction conventions of intellectual and character education fade from their minds, and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people, or any of their children, into philosophers, or men of science. We have not to raise up from them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen – of whom we have an ample supply. The task is simple. We will organize children and teach them in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.
  • Teachers are directed to instruct their pupils... and to awaken in them a sense of their responsibility toward the community of the nation.
    • Bernhard Rust, Nazi Minister of Education, from "Racial Instruction and the National Community," 1935
  • "Parent choice' proceeds from the belief that the purpose of education is to provide individual students with an education. In fact, educating the individual is but a means to the true end of education, which is to create a viable social order to which individuals contribute and by which they are sustained. "Family choice' is, therefore, basically selfish and anti-social in that it focuses on the "wants' of a single family rather than the "needs' of society.
    • Association of California School Administrators
  • When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children.
    • Albert Shanker, Former President of the American Federation of Teachers
  • Every teacher should realize he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of the proper social order and the securing of the right social growth.

Should we add Caitlin Upton's quote about education?[edit]