User talk:Nvvchar

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Hello, Nvvchar, and welcome to English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! Mdd (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

First articles[edit]

My first two articles here are C. Rajagopalachari and Ramanuja. I have also added some quotes to J.R.D. Tata and Vivekananda articles till date.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

I thank you for all the recent articles on major figures and subjects of Indian culture — especially those which deal with aspects or advocates of Vedanta philosophy, which I have long admired as profound and wise. ~ Kalki·· 14:04, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Mantra[edit]

Interesting page. The reason the audio files weren't working there before is because Wikiquote didn't have Template:Listen, which I've just imported from Wikipedia. It seems to be working now. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if that helped or not with others, but when I went to play the file in Safari, on my (relatively new and still relatively clean) Mac OS X system, it wouldn't, though it would play in Firefox. I had to install the XiphQT module mentioned on w:Wikipedia:Media help (Ogg) to get it to play in Safari, which it now does, after restarting Safari. ~ Kalki·· 12:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Sufism[edit]

I appreciate some of the additions to the Sufism page, but I will be removing at least one, because though it is currently cited in the Wikipedia article, it seems merely a promotional blurb at a website. I intend to a little bit more work to reformat and properly place a few of the others, because the quotes should be arranged in the article alphabetically by author, not simply added to the page in quite the way you have done at this point, because the work you are sourcing to seems to be Sufism and Bakhti : A Comparative Study (2004) by Md. Sirajul Islam — and I will reformat a few of the quotes to provide some examples of the general structure of pages as we generally arrange them here. ~ Kalki·· 10:12, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I just finished the changes to your edits. I retained all of the quotes save the one I commented out because it seems merely a blurb, and with slight reformatting placed them by author, alphabetically. Thanks for the additions, and I am sure a similar statement to the one I commented out could be found in some published source. ~ Kalki·· 10:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Odissi dance[edit]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Odissi dance, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdd (talk) 12:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for adding quotes. The prod-nomination has been removed. -- Mdd (talk) 12:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Endurance[edit]

Thanks for creating the article on Endurance. I just did a minor tweak after I noticed that you had added self-referential links in the headings, which weren't needed. I have posted a blank example of the layout I normally use on large theme pages, and expect to use more often in coming months, at User_talk:Kalki/Chalkboard. Blessings ~ Kalki·· 11:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

I wish to than you for the many theme articles you have been creating lately. I have long realized theme articles were lacking here, and intended to eventually make many more myself, but it is good to see others doing this, and thus helping to provide a broader base of ideas for others to draw upon, in developing their own. You have already created many articles I would certainly never have gotten around to creating, despite having long-standing interests in some of the subjects. By such diverse efforts the base of clear facts, good humor and eternal wisdom which Humanity can encounter are gradually increased. Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 14:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I just did a few minor edits on the Anathema page, after noticing a couple of errors, including one of a citation error. I probably won't bother it further today. ~ Kalki·· 15:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject[edit]

Hi Nvvchar. I see that you edit a lot of Indian Articles. So I was thinking if you would like to join Wikiquote:WikiProject Weekly Cleanup? --~~Goldenburg111 21:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

You can work on Periyar E. V. Ramasamy? The article needs cleanup. --~~Goldenburg111 22:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, you can add yourself, on the wikiproject, under "Members". --~~Goldenburg111 14:49, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Oṁ Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ[edit]

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I am not accustomed to giving out such tokens of appreciation as the barnstars are, and I believe this is perhaps actually the first time which I have done so, but your contributions in adding concepts of Hinduism and Indian philosophy and culture, especially such fundamental notions as Karma deserve special praise. I might get into the habit of doing such things more often, because there definitely has been an increase of very actively contributing people here lately, for which I am very grateful. I have now actually created a closing statement for some of my comments, which uses a link to both Dharma and Karma pages, as well as other notions I have long perceived as important ones: So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 15:44, 7 March 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

Oṁ Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ, Shāntiḥ.
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Yoga[edit]

In this Little Thing I saw three properties. The first is that God made it, the second is that God loveth it, the third, that God keepeth it. ~ Julian of Norwich

I thank you MUCH for your creation of the page for Yoga‎‎, and your recent one on Annie Besant as well. I had long recognized the need for such pages, but had not yet created them, due to other aims and involvements. There are many ironies at work in the world, in many ways, and that is one of the discernments of many who have long been aware of such often respectfully subtle movements as Agni Yoga, and those initiated by George Gurdjieff and perhaps, some believe, by such figures as Giordano Bruno and other mystics.

In regard to one of these, which I know many have not been very aware of, I will be moving at least some of your very worthy additions on the need of greater and broader awareness and appreciation of ethics generally from the Ethical movement page to Ethics, because that page is one that has been created for writings or comments related to a more formal range of alliances long known as "Ethical Culture."

In this case, I deferred to the Wikipedia page title format, though I personally preferred the slightly more formal "Ethical Culture" so as to differentiate better between the official though relatively informal organizations of Ethical Culture societies and the more general movements which are apparent among some in the world towards more pluralistic and humanistic alliances among individual human beings, and even among many organizations largely based specifically on various mystical and religious insights, indications or revelations. In western societies the Ethical Culture movement, as well as a few others was a significant seed-nucleus of aware and appreciative human beings towards such trends, as currently are continued by such alliances as those of the Unitarian Universalists and some of the more humanistic alliances that are not actually scornful of the real worth of much traditional and ancient lore, as some have rather ignorantly become (often as fanatically obsessed with finding apparent or actual flaws or deficiencies in nearly all traditional faiths as some of the more zealous bigots among many traditional faiths have long been in finding flaws in each others paths). Those who are wisest among all the traditional and untraditional paths are not oblivious to the flaws and deficiencies of many existing paths, but know that among ALL the named or unnamed paths of human choices, those of very narrow and exclusive bigotry, by whatever names they go, or whatever causes they ostensibly seek to serve, are ever and always among the most flawed and deficient. The wisest believe and have confident faith that despite some people's desperation to embrace many forms of bigotry, towards violent oppressions and tragic aims, the trends of humanity, overall, are against that. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 09:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Materialism[edit]

Many thanks for your recent additions to the materialism article, and your many recent contributions to biographical and thematic articles. Your must have noticed, I did make some editorial changes in the selection of the parable ‎article and now in the materialism article, and explained on the talk page. I hope you further take this into consideration, and if you have some further questions please let me know. -- Mdd (talk) 11:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

As to the way of illustration, you seem to have adopted a "liberal way of illustration." This kind of illustrating is being questioned a long time (see for example [1], [2]). In short it is argued, that this way of illustration is not according to the "more restricted" Wikiquote:Image use policy adopted about two/three years ago (more or less in response to this practise). If you're interested, you can read much more about it in the accompanied talk page(s). -- Mdd (talk) 12:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

New page listing[edit]

Before adding an article to the new page listing at the main page, please first create the article, and add at least one quote to the article. -- Mdd (talk) 15:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Nvvchar, I noticed today again you added the article to the main page, before actually creating the article. See log:
(change visibility) 13:28, 15 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+20)‎ . . Template:New pages
(change visibility) 13:44, 15 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,799)‎ . . N Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma ‎ (Created page with "Maharajah of Travancore.]] Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma| Uth...")
Please (again) keep this in mind. -- Mdd (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Looking at your latest edits (see below) really made me wonder:

(change visibility) 13:12, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+18)‎ . . User:Nvvchar ‎ (→‎New articles) (current) [rollback more than 10 edits]
(change visibility) 13:11, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+35)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Hinduism: rearrange) (current) [rollback 1 edit]
(change visibility) 12:08, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+262)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Hinduism)
(change visibility) 12:05, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,641)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Islam)
(change visibility) 11:54, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,066)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Zorashranism)
(change visibility) 10:34, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,681)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Jainism)
(change visibility) 09:25, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,182)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Buddhism)
(change visibility) 09:03, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,580)‎ . . Adoration ‎
(change visibility) 08:35, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,011)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Hinduism)
(change visibility) 08:27, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,916)‎ . . Adoration ‎
(change visibility) 07:45, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+4,293)‎ . . Adoration ‎
(change visibility) 07:04, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+24)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎Blessed Mother Teresa gives 22 reasons to sign up for a Holy Hour of Eucharistic Adoration!)
(change visibility) 07:03, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,099)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎Blessed Mother Teresa gives 22 reasons to sign up for a Holy Hour of Eucharistic Adoration!)
(change visibility) 06:36, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+5,239)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎In Christianity)
(change visibility) 05:59, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+3,969)‎ . . Adoration ‎ (→‎Quotes)
(change visibility) 05:23, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+5,863)‎ . . N Adoration ‎ (Created page with " The Adoration of the Shepherds, the picture at the Palais des Beaux-Arts in Lille Adoration (w:Latin lan...")
(change visibility) 04:43, 17 April 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . Template:New pages ‎ (current) [rollback 1 edit]

First you added a red links to the main page, half an hour before you actually created the article, while I asked you not to twice. But the funny thing is, that you start the article and improve it significantly, and then you add the article to your own user page. Why is that? Why not also add it to your user page in advance? Or even more important, why not grant my request, and add the article to the new pages listing after you finished it? -- Mdd (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

You have raised a technical issue in my creating the articles starting with a redlink in the main space, and after completing it listing it on my user page. I have been following this procedure for the last nearly four months but nobody pointed this as a wrong procedure earlier. Is your objection to my creating articles and expanding stub articles or is it on the procedural aspect? Pl clarify. In case the procedure is to corrected let me know the correct procedure. I am not comfortable with the sandbox procedure.--Nvvchar (talk) 13:58, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
There are indeed some procedural issues. You contributions are without any doubt impressive and very well appreciated, yet they interfere with the regular quality standards on some minor points:
  • Regarding to the main page listing of new articles: Articles are listed after they have been created and (according to me) preferable after they have initially been further developed. In the above example listing Adoration at the new page listing at 13:12, would be just fine.
  • Regarding to biographical article: They should at least have one quote by the person accompanied with a stub tag. Just one or more quote about the person (such as here) is not enough and can initiate a prod procedure.
I hope I have made myself clear here, if not please ask. -- Mdd (talk) 14:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Mdd, thanks for the clarification. Can I start the article first with a redlink in my user page, and after it is substantially expanded transfer it to the main page? In the case of creating articles in sandbox I had problems with transferring it to main space in wikipedia and had to seek help of an Admn to do the transfer. Also, my other collaborators in Wikipedia wanted their contributions retained in the main article. Hence we discontinued creating articles in sandbox page. Hence my preference is to create with a redlink from my user page. Incidentally, do you have any objection to my adding quotes to the stub or other articles created by you? --Nvvchar (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
You have multiple options here:
  • You can start an article with a red link on your userpage.
  • You can also, before starting an article, make a (red) link in any particular article, if the term is already present in Wikipedia.
  • You can also search for the term, using the search function, and then the Wiki program asks you if you want to create the article.
  • And, you can make a sub-user page, and then move the article. For example I just created User:Mdd/Test, and then moved it to User:Mdd/Test moved.
You could give it a try with User:Nvvchar/Test, and try moving it. It should be mo problem.
17:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thiruvananthapuram[edit]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Thiruvananthapuram, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdd (talk) 15:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Date of publication[edit]

Hi Nvvchar, could you add the year of publication in the source info. It is missing in your recent edit, and I noticed it before. -- Mdd (talk) 15:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma[edit]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Mdd (talk) 14:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Nvvchar, just after this prod-nomination you added a bunch of quotes. Could you next time please first added quotes before saving a new article. If this is not possible, start the article in a sub-user page, for example User:Nvvchar/Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma, and move it when ready. -- Mdd (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Timbuktu[edit]

Wow! Thanks for your improvement and edits here! Very much appreciated, ~ --~ Goldenburg111 17:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)