Talk:Antisemitism

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Gorlov quote

Does anyone have a correct source for this? The original article pointed to an article that does not mention the quote. --Ubiquity 17:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Format

I returned the Zvi Rex quote to its original format. This is exactly the format shown at Wikiquote:Templates/Themes. I don't necessarily think that putting the citation in a reference (as per wikipedia) is a bad idea, it's just not the standard here. Having done that, I removed the references section because it was now empty. Please let me know if you disagree. --Ubiquity 14:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced

• Everyone knows that Antisemitism historically and universally means 'Jew Hatred'. It is a fact I have noticed (as a journalist) the only people who quibble the meaning of the words are Jew Haters. Much in the same way that the only people who deny the Holocaust actually pretty much supported it.
  • R. Gorlov

• If relativity is proved right, the Germans will call me a German, the Swiss will call me a Swiss, and the French will call me a citizen of the world. If relativity is proved wrong, the French will call me a Swiss, the Swiss will call me a German, and the Germans will call me a Jew.
  • Albert Einstein

Should Nixon's antisemitic comments be included on this page?

I was wondering if I should add these quotes from Richard Nixon or if they are better on the Judaism page. CensoredScribe (talk) 21:07, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

• You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana are Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists.
  • Statement (May 26, 1971) as quoted in Newsweek (May 27, 2004)

• Many Jews in the Communist conspiracy. Chambers and Hiss were the only non-Jews. Many thought that Hiss was. He could have been a half. Every other one was a Jew—and it raised hell for us. But in this case, I hope to God he's not a Jew.
  • Nixon, Haldeman, and Ronald Ziegler, 2:42-3:33 P.M. Oval Office Conversation #524-7; cassette #775 (June 17, 1971)

• The Jews are irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch of bastards.
  • Nixon to Bob Haldeman (February 1, 1972) as quoted in Counterpunch (March 12, 2002)

• The Jews are just a very aggressive and abrasive and obnoxious personality.

• Richard Nixon conversation with Charles W. Colson, Feb. 13, 1973, as quoted in "In Tapes, Nixon Rails About Jews and Blacks", by Adam Nagourney, New York Times, Dec. 10, 2010.

• What it is, is it’s the insecurity. It’s the latent insecurity. Most Jewish people are insecure. And that’s why they have to prove things.
  • Conversation on Jewish aides as quoted on tapes recorded February-March 1973 "In Tapes, Nixon Rails About Jews and Blacks", by Adam Nagourney, New York Times, Dec. 10, 2010.

• I didn’t notice many Jewish names coming back from Vietnam on any of those lists; I don’t know how the hell they avoid it.If you look at the Canadian-Swedish contingent, they were very disproportionately Jewish. The deserters
  • Conversation with Mr. Colson, on tapes recorded February-March 1973; as quoted in "In Tapes, Nixon Rails About Jews and Blacks", by Adam Nagourney, New York Times, Dec. 10, 2010.

This page should only include quotes about the topic of Antisemitism, not examples of it. See this discussion. --Immutatus (talk) 21:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Non notable quote

About this edit, the autor doesn't meet quotability, it doesn't even has a Wikipedia page, and the quote is not widedly quoted by reliable secondary sources. Robin Loup (talk) 03:22, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

removed quote

I just noticed a quote by Diana Muir was removed from this article in 2022. I tried to undo this removal but the system will not let me. Is there consensus here that this quote is "POV pushing that is not notable or quotable" ? Ottawahitech (talk) 19:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The bulk of the 310-words I removed is unquotable blather:

On any given day one can find some eminent European – a university professor, high-ranking churchman, a parliamentarian – gravely explaining to reporters that harsh and disproportionate criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic. And their protestations sound plausible. After all, this is not your grandfather’s anti-Semitism.…At least that is what I assumed until someone did the study. Two Connecticut professors got curious about the constant denials that extremely harsh critics of Israel were anti-Semitic. Edward H. Kaplan, the William N. and Marie A. Beach Professor of Management Sciences at Yale, and Charles A. Small, Director of Urban Studies, w:Southern Connecticut State University, decided to examine the issue in formal way.…Kaplan and Small ask whether individuals expressing strong anti-Israel sentiments, such as the statement by Ted Honderich, Emeritus Grote Professor of the Philosophy of Mind and Logic at University College London, that “those Palestinians who have resorted to necessary killing have been right to try to free their people, and those who have killed themselves in the cause of their people have indeed sanctified themselves,” are more likely than the general population to also support in such old-style anti-Semitic slurs as “Jews have too much power in our country today.” The correlation was almost perfect. In a survey of 5,000 Europeans in ten countries, people who believed that the Israeli soldiers “intentionally target Palestinian civilians,” and that “Palestinian suicide bombers who target Israeli civilians” are justified, also believed that “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind,” “Jews have a lot of irritating faults,” and “Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.” The study’s other interesting finding was that only a small fraction of Europeans believe any of these things. Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism flourish among the few, but those few are over-represented in Europe’s newspapers, its universities, and its left-wing political parties.

Much of it is a misleading description of a scholarly paper. Study participants (5004 Europeans) were judged more or less antisemitic based on replies to 12 questions (e.g. "Jews stick together more than other (residents of this country)", something that 2,942 people agreed with, giving the authors a large base of people they could describe as "antisemitic.") The authors found a correlation between people's antisemitism score, and their anti-Israel score (based on replies to 4 questions, e.g. of the 5004 people, 426 said yes to the following: "In your opinion, is there any justification for Palestinian suicide bombers that target Israeli civilians?") HouseOfChange (talk) 01:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@HouseOfChange: I don't believe one has to agree with quotes in order to include them. The question should be: Is Diana Muir a notable person and if so, is she the author of the quote, no? However, there is nothing wrong with shortening this somewhat imo.

@Ottawahitech: I also "don't believe that one has to agree with quote in order to include them." Long-winded POV-pushing does not belong in WQ, whether or not Diana Muir is notable. Notable people say many non-quotable things every single day. Update, in a collegial spirit I added one fairly quotable sentence from the quote, also linked to DM's en-wiki article. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Any other opinions? Ottawahitech (talk) 04:26, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Interesting quote, better source would be good

This Ezra Pound quote embedded here, presumably quoting from a work by Allen Ginsberg:

“‘The intention was bad—that’s the trouble—anything I’ve done has been an accident—any good has been spoiled by my intentions—the preoccupation with the irrelevant and stupid things.’” Pound, Ginsberg adds “looked directly into my eyes while pronouncing the word ‘intention.’” Finally, Ginsberg—as a “Buddhist Jew,” as he puts it, asks Pound to accept his blessing. Will he accept it? “He hesitated, opening his mouth like an old turtle. ‘I do,’ he said, ‘but my worst mistake was the stupid suburban prejudice of anti-Semitism, all along, that spoiled everything.’”

I think the Pound quote is meaningful and relevant but a direct connection to its source would be better. HouseOfChange (talk) 05:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Found source. HouseOfChange (talk) 08:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC)