User talk:Shshshsh

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Enjoy! WelcomeBot ^owner!_question? 21:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Vandalism?

I thought you were vandalizing the page since you removed part of Madhuri's comment. But if you look into the ref which I think you haven't, the part goes like this:

Karan: Actresses like Rani and all are huge fans of yours�

Madhuri: Ya, she has told me that

Karan: Have you seen her work?

Madhuri: Yes, I have, and I think she is a very good actress� I have always liked her� and I envy her in a way � because my dad is a big fan of hers �

Karan: Really?

Madhuri: Ya, really

Karan: You must see her in Black� she is fantastic

Madhuri: Ya, I should

There you go. Sorry. But I think it's your fault too for not checking it properly. And Stars Love Her or whatever you want to say, I don't care but stop removing quotes. Once I'm done with references, I'll remove the ones I never found. Though, it's impossible to find refs for all of the quotes. But I'll try. Give me two months. And what's wrong with the biggest names? You even put it for Preity's intro on wikipedia, though it was my words. - shez_15 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shez 15 (talk • contribs) 09:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Stop making this about Preity

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Stop it. This is Rani's page and whatever is said by her and to her is going to be on the quotes page. You can add quotes to Preity's page or Rani's page with references and it won't be deleted. But stop correcting Preity's english. A quote is a quote. You can't alter the words. What will you do with the admin? I should report you for changing words and removing quotes. If you want references you will get them but stop removing quotes. Who said videos are not allowed. And if it concerns you that much then I suggest you watch the whole video and interpret it word for word. Because it took me three hours to get them. Double-checking and pausing. I won't let you walk all over my work. Stop being cynical. You're acting really obsessive over this. It's best if you stay out and if you want to be involved, then be productive rather than changing words or making excuses over video references. That's just absurd. This was taken from the rapid fire but as opinions which are quotes. Saying a name like choosing Rani over Preity or Kareena is not a quote. But if said in a phrase like "Rani is sexier than Kareena", then that's a quote. And an actor's opinion cannot be changed or removed if referenced. Stop making a fuss. Now, I 've listened to you over the past and I really admired your work but you just crossed a line today and for that, I can't forgive you. - shez_15

NOTE: The above post was made entirely by Shshshsh on 12:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC), NOT Shez 15 as claimed. If it was copied from somewhere else, such information was not provided by Shshshsh. Posting a comment anywhere in Wikiquote with a signature not your own, and with no explanation of why, can be construed as forging signatures. (The edit summary given, "Shift", is entirely inscrutable.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I think you have a big problem

I think you need to talk to a shrink for your benefit. No offence but trust me, it will benefit you. I am not being the diehard fan, you are. I am not changing people's quotes. I am putting them there. "Why aren't you putting Preity's quote about her. Why aren't you adding that Big B said that Aish is better and his wife was better in Kora Kagaz than Rani in Black." I put all the quotes I found interesting. If you want to help, add your quotes and I can check them just like you can check mine. Secondly Big B took a name in a question, THAT IS NOT A QUOTE MY BABY. Quotes are phrases expressing opinion and "Rani is better than Kareena" is an opinion. Anyone can disagree with that statement but it's the actor who said it, and for that, we ought to leave it at that. But it's a quote. Go look at some Hollywood actresses quotes like Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton. A lot of crap has been said there, yet it's there. Why don't you ask wikipedia admin to remove that. Then come to Rani's page. I seriously don't get you. I hope the best for you in life but I'm sure the best will never come if you don't change your habits. Try to spend your time more wisely rather than attacking people's pages. Lastly, Rani had already won the Best Actress awards for Hum Tum that year, beating Preity every time, and thus she said Rani is the best actor we have today, when she appeared for KWK Season 1. Again, Rani came on the show b4 Preity, she was a personal favorite of Karan, so she was not jealous or anything. But if you think she was, good for you. And your quotes on it being a joke can be added. Don't be scared of adding stuff as long as it's correct. Please learn a lesson here. And what are these double-standards? "Freewebs is not allowed." And yet you use it on Preity Zinta's page. How conniving can you be? Like be honest here. You just don't like Rani and you want to put an act here that you do so you can edit her page. Just stay away from the page just like I do from Zinta's page. It will be the best option for us both. And if you think something is wrong, you can suggest rather than delete everything. Grow up from your shell. I'm sick of dealing with you daily. You're a headache. - shez_15 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shez 15 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Happy, now? I've got all references fixed except two or three which I'll get to tomorrow. But because of you, the page is now 53,965 bytes, exceeding 32kb. I guess I'll have to delete some quotes later. But it would've been so easier if you just kept quiet and the page was as it was. I would include the KWK quotes into the article but then there would be so many quotes from SRK and on Saif and others. It's just better this way. Plus it divides the videos from the written. Truly, I trust the videos more than the written since these writers gossip a lot. Subash K Jha just got caught in a controversy today for fabricating quotes on Headlines Today. He also got caught for male casting couch. So disgusting. Anyhow, that's why videos are better refs. than sentences which are sometimes altered by stupid journalists. - shez_15 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shez 15 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Fine no freewebs

But some of the quotes on there, I've heard them in other sources like what Akshay Kumar said and what Sanjay Dutt said. The rest can be true too but I can't prove that. So whatever. But why are you after KWK. It's a show where people express their views. Some are bad and some are good things. I don't care as long as there are things said. Just so you know a quote is a quote no matter when was it said. You mean to say, as these actresses mature in the next ten years, we should remove all the quotes from they're pages because they dont think like that anymore. Rubbish. Don't feed me with crap. A quote is a quote. Whatever Preity said, can be added to the page, but why are you removing quotes? I don't get you. You're really out of this world. Anyway, I'll get to the page later. And again, on Lindsay Lohan's page "Fuck" and other bad words have been used. So there's no rule against bad stuff being banned on wikiquotes. And again, nothing that bad is being said. Only you find it offensive. And then again, no one even reads this page except you. - shez_15 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shez 15 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced headings

Latest comment: 17 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

What do you mean by Unsourced quotes on people pages? No need to source them quotes and give references? How can it be possible? Now everyone would bring quotes which do not even exist to this section of Unsourced quotes. Am I wrong? what does it actually mean? --Shshshsh 22:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

"Unsourced" is our way of grouping together quotes that don't have adequate reliable sources to allow reasonable verification of accuracy. It should not be interpreted as meaning the quotes do not need sourcing, even though the huge number of quotes under these headings might make it seem that way sometimes. See Wikiquote:Sourced and Unsourced sections for the general guidelines.

Most people don't bother to look up reliable sources for quotes when they choose to add them, just as most Wikipedia editors don't bother to cite sources for their own additions. But we still want sources, and we are getting more insistent that they be added to articles. We encourage all editors to find and cite reliable sources (not just other quote websites, which are notoriously unreliable) whenever they can, and to remove quotes that seem unlikely if they have no sources. But please do not remove quotes without providing an brief explanation in the edit summary (e.g., "unsourced, unlikely quotes"). In fact, it's always a good idea to include an edit summary for changes. I hope this helps.

By the way, I apologize for the delay in responding to the issues raised at at WQ:AN#Concern Over Editor. I've been far too preoccupied with real-world work to do Wikiquote justice in the interim. I am hoping to review the situation this weekend. Thank you for your patience. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Indian actresses content & editor dispute

Latest comment: 17 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I have finished my review of the content/editor dispute posted at WQ:AN#Concern Over Editor. Please go there to see my analysis and recommendations. I hope to provide more specific suggestions within a day, but this should give you the general feel for how to proceed. Let me know if you have any questions. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Shez 15 and Shshshsh, here are some notes I made while investigating your dispute. They are in no particular order, and there is some overlap. But if I wait until I have time to better organize them, I'm afraid it'll take another few days, and I'm already nearly a week behind my commitment to give your this information. Please forgive the disorder.

"Vandalism" is probably the most often-abused term in Wikimedia, and should be used only when citing page blanking, grafitti-like edits, and other obvious signs of defacing articles. It should never be used to describe mere disputed content. Editors accusing others of vandalism in edit summaries and talk pages are engaging in uncivil discourse and will be asked to stay cool and assume good faith, as we would rather not have to temporarily block conscentious editors who simply disagree.

Edit summaries are not the place to carry out arguments. They should succinctly describe the edits and/or rationale for making them. They generally should not include comments directed at other editors. If you want to argue, do it on the article talk page (if it's directly related to content disputes) or on your user talk pages (if it's complaints about each other).

Each quote must be individually sourced. There are many ways to do this, but this is non-negotiable. There is no other reasonable way for editors to be sure that each quote has actually been specifically sourced, due to formatting limitations of Wikimedia, the style practices of Wikiquote, and the nature of incremental wiki editing by a large community.

Please use the quote and source formatting established in Wikiquote:Templates/People; specifically:
Quotes after a single bullet (asterisk)

Context information under the quote in a double-bullet (two asterisks)

Source line under under quote and/or optional context information in a double-bullet (two asterisks)

Please do not remove the cleanup tag while the tagged articles are not in conformance with this formatting.

Wikipedia-style footnote references probably should not be used for individual quotes because they obscure the vital requirement of sourcing by pushing all this information to the bottom. Cite.php should probably only be used (if at all) to provide full details for abbreviated citations under each quote. (See Dean Koontz#One Door Away from Heaven (2001) for an example.)

Quotes should be pithy, memorable statements. They should not be used to promote a subject just because someone is a fan. (See Firefly (TV series)#Quotes about Firefly and Serenity for an example of limited quoting about a subject. There are many more sourced instances of celebrity gushing about the show and film, but they neither say anything especially new or memorable, and they aren't as widely reported, making these few especially notable.) We want quotes that one might find in a 10,000-page Bartlett's Famous Quotations, not just anything we can find on the Web.

Quoting the subject about opinions of others and of general subjects is another kind of quoting which is usually a bad idea. 50 years from now, who is going to care what anyone thinks of anyone else? What's important is if they say something along these lines that stands out as a clever, funny, impassioned, bizarre, or otherwise noteworthy turn-of-phrase. Let fan websites collect the subject's general opinions.

YouTube is almost never a valid source. Most video clips used for references are clear copyright violations. Most usernames claiming to be an authority (e.g., "Showtime" for the Showtime Network) are inaccurate and deliberately misleading. The same is true for most video sites that allow user uploads. When in doubt, assume the clip is a copyvio. Look for an alternative source, like a text transcription of the relevant quote on a news site.

Do not engage in revert wars over non-printing space and other trivial edits. For the record, blank lines between quotes are not required, but they help editors find, sort, and source quotes, so it's usually best to leave them in. More than one blank line between quotes will add extra "printing" space between quotes, and should be removed when doing other editing.

Follow Wikiquote (and Wikipedia) case rules, which basically use sentence case; i.e. don't capitalize any words in a heading that aren't part of a proper noun. The title of a work is a proper noun; the heading "Quotes about Mukerji" is not, although "Mukerji" is.

Wikiquote is not a gossip column archive. Including quotes that are little more than chatter between celebrities is pretty much never useful unless it's something so memorable it made world headlines, and even then I'd be skeptical. Opinions between Rani Mukerji and Preity Zinta are unlikely to be any more useful to Wikiquote than those between feuding Hollywood ex-spouses Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, who have plenty of sourced but unmemorable "quotes" to call upon.

Grouping quotes by topic is arguably useful if there are many quotes on that topic, but it's usually a bad idea. The most important grouping in an article is "Sourced" and "Unsourced", because the latter shouldn't be considered anything more than rumor until sourced. Most people articles don't have enough truly pithy quotes to justify anything other than chronological ordering. Those that do often need severe pruning because their content approaches fan adulation or foe vilification (or both), neither of which is typically interesting to anyone besides the contestants in the conflict. Wikiquote should not be treated as a battleground for these parties, any more than would The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

If you have any questions or comments about the above information, please let me know. Thank you for listening. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Your account will be renamed

Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Shshshsh. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Shshshsh~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours,
Keegan Peterzell
Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation

23:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)