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Request to add category[edit]

Need category for African-Americans added as a subcategory for Nationality. lwalt 23:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I see no one has replied to your question. I imagine your interest in this category is partly due to your creation of an article on James Brown. (Thanks for tackling that; I was surprised we hadn't already had one.)
After having brought up a similar issue (see "Nationalities" above), I eventually found myself uncomfortable with, where not actively against, categorization based on nationality and ethnicity, as I find it divisive, open to POV interpretation, and often impractical. However, I'm in a minority on this, I think.
If you want to implement a category, you can just start it yourself by adding the category tag to an article, then following the red link to the category page and adding a parent category to it, like Category:People by ethnicity (which you would also have to add to Category:People). Be prepared for plenty of controversy, as ethnicity arguments are among the most volatile in Wikidom.
As far as such a category being a subcat of a nationality, I'm really against that. It implies that African-American (or Japanese-American or Mexican-American or French-American) is a sub-nationality of "American" (whatever that means to different people). I think there's a distinction to be made between cultural inheritance (ethnicity) and geopolitical organization (nationality), a distinction that weighs heavily on many of the world conflicts throughout history, right up through today's headlines. I would instead suggest that someone who is identified as "African-American" is someone with "American" nationality and both "American" and "African" ethnicity, even though I acknowledge it's messy. (I think everything in this entire domain is messy.) Well, that's my 2 cents. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way, I should note that we've already had one category like this established — Category:Native Americans. (I wasn't crazy about that, either.) One could make an argument that "Native Americans" (I quote the term because I am a natural-born American but am not of Amerind descent) are considered a sovereign nation (or nations) within the U.S. (and surrounding nations, perhaps?). But I see this as the kind of uncomfortable hair-splitting I'd prefer to avoid in an NPOV work. But again, that's just my opinion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:British Jews[edit]

Originally posted to WQ:VP

This category seems to be unique; there is no other Jewish category (except rabbis). I assumegood faith, but it looks as if it was created as part of the "Let's stress how Jewish that crook Michael Levy is" movement, and indeed Michael Levy was the only person in it. I have now added a couple more, but wonder if it would be better to delete it. If it does stay, we also ought to have American Jews and probably other nationalities.--Cato 22:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

IIRC we have another type of ethnic-nationality combined category, Category:Finland-Swedes (Swedish-speaking minority in Finland), which also includes only one person (Anders Chydenius). I think category of people by language may make a sense (in particular when we are going to label the articles translated from foreign language by original language, see a past discussion on this page), but still I am not sure if we long for ethnic-nationality categories. --Aphaia 02:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

If youwant Finland-Swedes, I could start a page for Jean Sibelius.--Cato 22:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Either we want a category for them or not, I am sure we want definitely quotes from Finland-Swedes notabilities including a great composer :) --Aphaia 03:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)