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Hello, Risto hot sir, and welcome to the English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:05, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Words displayed the first time in recordings[edit]

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Paavo Haavikko, Samuli Paronen, Väinö Nuorteva[edit]

Hi Risto hot sir, I have speedy deleted the last three lemma's you started here after I noticed they were completely made up of your own work, and didn't contain any quotes published in English. Mdd (talk) 01:35, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to restart the lemma's from text published in English sources, but please don't add any of your own translations. If you don't agree with this policy, it is not the way to start more lemma's, but discuss this at the Village pump. -- Mdd (talk) 01:45, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
As far as I know, nobody has translated these in English before. The Finnish references are there. If the translation is poor, please tell what's wrong! I have no relationship with these authors, the only thing that matters is that there's very limited knowledge about Finnish writers. --Risto hot sir (talk) 01:52, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

It is not about the quality of the translation. As the main page stated Wikiquote is a free online compendium of sourced quotations... If you translate a Finish quote, you create an English quote... which is still considered an unsourced English quote. The English quotes, we collect here, should already have been published elsewhere.

Now I noticed the work of Paavo Haavikko has been translated into 12 languages. Just take some of that translated work (in English) and restart the lemma. that is no problem. Just don't continue translating yourself. -- Mdd (talk) 01:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

If these sentences are good, so what's the problem? Any reader who understands English and Finnish can correct those. Let's not prevent people to find out important things about literature! --Risto hot sir (talk) 02:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Mirkka Rekola[edit]

Hi Risto hot sir, I just noticed the Mirkka Rekola is also unsourced, and cannot stay like that. To give you and example of an appropriate opening I recreated the Paavo Haavikko lemma. -- Mdd (talk) 02:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the example of Haavikko, but those are not the best ones of his work. UDScott has accepted the Mirkka's ones (and has made about 30 000 edits). Were there English translators at Platon's times? --Risto hot sir (talk) 02:39, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Wikiquote is not all that simple. Did you realize the initial poem at Mirkka Rekola was 363 words long, while quotes over 250 words are not allowed (see WQ:LOQ). Now this is fixed as well by actually using a secondary (online) source. -- Mdd (talk) 03:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank You for the Pentti Saarikoski article! I didn't know of that limit. But what could be a more reliable source than the writer's own homepage? Mirkka herself has carefully selected and accepted the translation. --Risto hot sir (talk) 11:19, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Mana Mana[edit]

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The translation of the song "Beast" can't be found anywhere. You must listen the mentioned record. Jouni Mömmö's articulation is so unclear that I translated the Finnish text ("Ilmestyskirjan peto"). The message and the words are the same... and this is not official poetry. If You want the texts from the other three songs, too, I'll do it with pleasure. --Risto hot sir (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. As I explained in an earlier comment, Wikiquote doesn't accept translations by their own editors. From the English Wikipedia lemma its seems Mana Mana didn't produce any English works, so there is little change English quotes actually exist. Now I speedy deleted the lemma for the same reasons earlier lemma's were deleted. -- Mdd (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

But if I try to understand Mömmö's singing from the record and write as such, is it OK! Not a printed version but a document that can be checked by listening. - And could You please find out if there's Uuno Kailas's poetry in English. He's one of the best - especially "Eye changers", "Barefoot" and "Playground"? --Risto hot sir (talk) 14:15, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
You can do whatever you like as long as you don't publish it here. Although I do not know all ins and outs, I do believe there are copyrights concerns here. At least one condition is, that you are not allowed to quoted from unpublished sources, and own translations could be considered as such. It could even be possible that you are not allowed to translate and published recent works without permission. Also there is an implicit policy in Wikiquote not to accept unpublished quotes, and lemma's that only contain this kind of work get deleted. Is this explanation enough not to continue to publish your own translations here? -- Mdd (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it's enough! Copyright: these texts are over 30 years old. It's a pity that English people have no possibility to read Mömmö's lyrics - which are now more current than ever. - In fact the Holy Bible should be categorized as Jewish proverbs, because there's no evidences that many people in it even have lived. The Bible was put together 300 years after Christ by voting which books were included and which ones not. I'm not against the Bible, but the rules should be the same! --Risto hot sir (talk) 19:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
There is indeed some of Uuno Kailas's poetry translated in English. Some of his work can even be found online with contemporary translations, but if the blog is relatively unknown and the author/translator hasn't published more wokrs, these can not be considered reliable sources. -- Mdd (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks for the search! --Risto hot sir (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Now I see the page created, excellent! Still there's one missing novelist: Väinö Linna. His work "Tuntematon sotilas" ("The Unknown Soldier") is shown in TV every Independence day. The other very notable novel is "Täällä Pohjantähden alla" ("Under the North Star"). --Risto hot sir (talk) 00:12, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Can You imagine how schocked I was when discovering that not a single Finnish poet was in Wikiquote! A lot of money has been spent to make our literature known. Are the responsible persons stupid, lazy or greedy for money? It costs nothing to write here. - Some new suggestions: Impola has translated Kalle Päätalo. Arto Paasilinna is famous in Germany also. Juhani Aho, Ilmari Kianto, Hannu Salama, Timo Mukka, Veikko Huovinen, Veijo Meri, Lauri Viita? And let's not forget the women: Sofi Oksanen is now the most selling novelist abroad; Eeva-Liisa Manner, Kirsi Kunnas, Minna Canth, Maria Jotuni, Saima Harmaja perhaps. --Risto hot sir (talk) 11:13, 25 March 2017 (UTC) - Nobelist Frans Emil Sillanpää. Joel Lehtonen. The critics voted Volter Kilpi's "Alastalon salissa" the best Finnish novel of all times. Kaarlo Uskela's books were burnt in the 1930's. --Risto hot sir (talk) 12:51, 26 March 2017 (UTC) - And then there's Pentti Haanpää and Claes Andersson (psychiathrist, politician and poet). --Risto hot sir (talk) 10:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Atsujin[edit]

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Only wrote what was in the Hoffmann's book. The Japanese people might know this poet? --Risto hot sir (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
You have made a lot of pages based on the Japanese poets in this book. Try to do other research beyond this one book. Most of these poets are not notable enough to be recognized, and they don't have much recognition beyond this one book. Maybe you should try adding their quotes in their original language to Japanese Wikiquote. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 23:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Apparently, other users disagree with me. I still believe that these pages need more work, but I'll back down for now. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
There are millions of people of Japanese origin in the States. They can evaluate the notability. I don't understand this language. --Risto hot sir (talk) 00:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Try to follow the proper format.[edit]

Take a look at how I changed the article Daibai. The way it is now formatted is how you should be making the rest of these articles on Japanese poets. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 14:47, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Dohaku[edit]

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I know that these poets are in the book, but if all you know about someone is that he died, than don't make an article about him. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 18:12, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
This is not Wikipedia - the poems are the most important here, not what poets did during their lives. --Risto hot sir (talk) 19:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
At least write that the person is in fact a poet. Without context, the quotes are meaningless. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 20:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Asei[edit]

I assume the quote, "The blossoming of cherries in the spring evokes in haiku poets a feeling of wonder at nature's beauty. But facing the blossoming of grasses and nameless field and garden flowers at the beginning of autumn, Asei grieves for that which comes and goes, yet leaves no lasting impression." is from Yoel Hoffman. If so, please specify on the page or else it will have to be removed. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 18:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Just realized that there are a lot of description/explanation quotes on these Japanese poet articles, including, "Tsuchi means "earth" and kane is "metal". There is no particular significance in the combination tsuchi kane, and the poet's intention is not clear.". The same applies to all of them. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 18:31, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
The haikus and Hoffmann's explanations belong together. All Americans don't understand Japanese language and its word plays. --Risto hot sir (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
If so, than go back to those articles and add in that those are Hoffman's quotes. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 19:47, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
With pleasure! --Risto hot sir (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Chosui[edit]

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Daibai[edit]

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You really need to add more information to your Japanese poet articles other than their date of death. Everyone dies at some point. That is not what makes them notable. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
The book's name is Japanese Death Poems, so the feeling of dying is very important. And please don't propose new deletions 'till the principles are discussed! --Risto hot sir (talk) 20:04, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what the "feeling" is. Their needs to be background. If what you're saying is true then any page with a quote relating to death, wouldn't need more background other than the fact that the person died, because of the "feeling". Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 20:09, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, poetry is expressing feelings. Let's wait what other editors will write. --Risto hot sir (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
The page Baiseki has enough information. I would add the two words myself, but since I don't own the book myself, I can't write definitively that they are poets. That is your job. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 20:22, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Fine! --Risto hot sir (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Wang Zhihuan[edit]

This page is already on Wikiquote. You don't have to add a link to a Wikiquote article's Wikiquote article. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 22:52, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I was in Wikipedia already! --Risto hot sir (talk) 22:55, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Enryo[edit]

I thought we discussed this already. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 22:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

This should help. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 23:02, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Too much to read (and if You visit the Finnish sites, You might see that they're more joy to the eyes). --Risto hot sir (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Among other things, the page mentions that the biography should be approximately four sentences, not four words. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 03:41, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Another quote: “Quotes should be formatted as a bulleted list, each quote on its own bullet, with no quotation marks. Citations and any notes, such as translation or context, should follow in a sub-bullet. If a quote is not in English, it should be italicized. In that case, especially for non-Latin scripts, a transliteration is often useful.” Pay attention to what it says. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 03:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

All Wikiquotes have different practices, and I can't know them all. Many editors here prefer quotation marks, 'cause these are quotations. - I've heard that New York is a pretty big city, Big Apple, so there must be good libraries to get informaton about Enryo, for example. - When You compare the sites of Friedrich Nietzsche (just click language Suomi), which one looks visually better? The references should be at the end to not disturb reading. - What if I write only one poem a day, is it too hard to format it? --Risto hot sir (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Fuso[edit]

Please remember to write if the person is a poet. Do not just write that they died. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

The category is Japanese poets, so why repeat words? --Risto hot sir (talk) 01:34, 24 December 2017 (UTC)- And happy Christmas to You! I heard yesterday in the radio the song of the Pogues' and Kirsty MacColl's Christmas Time in New York, wonderful!--Risto hot sir (talk) 01:40, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
The categories are there to sort the articles. They are not a replacement for a summary. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 12:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
As a side point, I don’t celebrate Christmas. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 12:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Date of death[edit]

Thank you for working on adding the categories for the year of death for people pages - but be sure that when you add the category for the exact year, that you also remove the category for the decade of death (since the year of death categories are a subset of the decade of death and thus both are not needed). Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 23:38, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, just the exact year! --Risto hot sir (talk) 23:51, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Collaboration on Japanese Haiku article[edit]

Do you that think we should collaborate on making a single page about Japanese haiku? At this point, it makes the most sense since their is no reason to have so many articles that are nearly identical. People on English Wikiquote might not care about a particular poet, but they may find a general article to be very helpful. What do you think? Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Good idea! There are some problems still: about 100 poets are not represented yet, so the page would be pretty long. I don't think the haikus are nearly identical: the Japanese poets have perhaps thought all their lives how the final poem should be (like the pharaohs' pyramids). Look at the statistics: about 20 - 30 persons check the site on the first day, and they certainly not are common readers. - By the way, Christmas actually is Saturnalia from Rome. And before that it was celebrated in Babylon (and in Persia before?) with decorating trees with balls reminding of the sun. The christians, for practical reasons, wanted to time their Jesus's birthday on the same day.--Risto hot sir (talk) 00:26, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
It is not unusual for different cultures to celebrate the "return" of the sun in the weeks around the winter solstice, by lighting candles. Christians light an advent wreath on Christmas, Jews light a menorah on Chanukah, people of African heritage light a kinara on kwanzaa, e.t.c. This is not a coincidence. In Jewish tradition, this dates back to Adam who celebrated the winter solstice as well. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Removing "American" tag[edit]

I am not sure about this, but I believe that if you add a state than you should remove the "American" tag. I don't know for sure, though. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 22:13, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Ask UDScott - and remind that there are notable people in South Dakota and West Virginia too! --Risto hot sir (talk) 22:16, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Haiku Articles[edit]

You have been adding many haiku articles. They are from people who are not notable and while ordinarily it would be okay, your blatant disregard for formatting has made these articles more of a nuisance than a positive contribution. I know that we have discussed this before, but I feel that I can not back down from my opinion any longer. You don't have to listen to me, but as a word of advice, I implore you to stop making these badly researched articles. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Goshuku[edit]

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So "this is English WQ" - and you're building a wall. That makes me wonder why the hell do I write here. Maybe you should delete Beethoven and Nietzsche, too, I don't think they spoke English. --Risto hot sir (talk) 14:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Beethoven is a famous and notable person. His works are unique and can be researched using a multitude of resources. These poems on the other hand have no sources other than a single book that no one other than you seems to have. Ordinarily, this wouldn’t be a problem, but you are unable to write adequate biographies and you have no regard for formatting. There is no way for other Wikiquotions to confirm the validity of these quotes and there is, as of now, no reason to put in the effort since these haiku articles add very little, if anything, to Wikiquote. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 02:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Wow! So I've got the only Japanese Death Poems -book in the whole wide world - it must be valuable! Therefore it's my duty to write the poems. Biographies unfortunately are not in that book. Formatting is not important to me; on the other hand I've made about 3 000 edits recent times, so could You forgive me? - JDP-book exists, many ancient works not. At en-WQ there are many quotes from Publilius Syrus, for example, whose many plays have disappeared, and after hundreds of years people guess they might perhaps been his. - And I can't write to Japanese WQ, 'cause I don't understand their writing.--Risto hot sir (talk) 13:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Your attitude is not helping. I have nothing against you, I simply want to ensure the high standards that Wikiquote has. What I meant by, "These poems on the other hand have no sources other than a single book that no one other than you seems to have." is that it appears that no other user of Wikiquote owns this book. If they do, they are not using it to edit.
If biographies are not in the book, than perhaps you should reconsider the inclusion of these haiku poets in Wikiquote.
Just because formatting is not important to you, doesn't mean that you can disregard it. There is no way for you to deny the fact that you have no regard to formatting these articles. It can be seen in the edit history.
Publilius Syrus is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article and Google-ing his name brings up a multitude of results. You can not compare him to these poets. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, multitude of results of non-existing works.--Risto hot sir (talk) 11:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I have just as much reason to assume that your haiku articles are made up poems as well. Their are no legitimate sources for these poems. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Let's compromize!: You'll stop blaming haikus and I Syrus. --Risto hot sir (talk) 22:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I’m not sure what you mean by “blaming haikus”. All I am doing is trying to maintain the strict content standards of Wikiquote. Is it too much to ask that you cooperate? Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 02:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I write everything I know about these Japanese poets. If You are interested in the strict standards and want to cooperate, You'll search facts at New York libraries. --Risto hot sir (talk) 10:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The burden of research falls on you. It is your responsibility to find out more about the poets before you make the articles. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
In December you wrote "since many users disagree with me, I'll leave this topic alone." This is not Wikipedia, the life of a person is not important; at Wikiquote only the texts matter. If DanielTom, an expert at least in Chinese poetry, wants me to stop writing Japanese poetry, I would obey. --Risto hot sir (talk) 10:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Doyu[edit]

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And there you have it. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Not quite so: DanielTom didn't vote - and the result was KEEP. I'm very grateful he listed this poet for deletion, 'cause BD2412 found another book that proves Hoffmann has picked up notable Japanese poets. --Risto hot sir (talk) 23:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I believe the point brought up by BD is not relevant. No one is claiming that this poet did not exist. Daniel Tom, who didn’t vote only because he was the one who nominated the article for deletion, very clearly outlined his reasons for believing these articles should be deleted. I think you should actually take the time to read what he said. The only people who voted against him were you, and someone who misunderstood Daniel Tom’s point. All this is irrelevant however since you stated, “If DanielTom, an expert at least in Chinese poetry, wants me to stop writing Japanese poetry, I would obey.” Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The nominators can vote, too - and BD2412 doesn't misunderstand these kinds of points, look at the edit history! Even you did not vote.--Risto hot sir (talk) 00:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure what edit history has to do with this. The points brought up by Daniel Tom were that these poets were so obscure, they don't even have a Wikipedia article, they are based on a single source, they clog up the Japanese poets category, and these articles constitute a copyright violation. Bd2412 responded by saying that Doyu existed and that there is evidence of his poems. Unless I am missing something, that doesn't in any way argue against Daniel Tom's points. You of all people should agree to this, seeing as you believe Daniel Tom to be authoritative enough on this topic that you said you would "obey" his request to halt the writing of these articles. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Let's wait what DanielTom and BD will write. There's not a single source anymore.--Risto hot sir (talk) 01:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

In fact, I have just contacted Daniel Tom now regarding this issue. Hopefully, he will respond soon. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
First, I'm not an "authority" on anything. Second, BD2412 made a good point about that particular poem being quoted in a secondary source. As far as I can tell, most others aren't. Needless to say, the page Doyu may be kept, and the others not. It's just that they may have to be nominated for deletion and considered one by one (if we ignore the copyvio issue, that is). ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I believe DanielTom has made it abundantly clear that these articles should not be created unless you can find an additional source for them. Any disagreement on your part can only be the result of stubbornness, and not rational reasoning. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps BD2412 will help me at finding new sources.--Risto hot sir (talk) 20:38, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I just asked him. - Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Fine!--Risto hot sir (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Here is the vote you requested.[edit]

Wikiquote:Village pump#Category:Japanese poets - Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:50, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

I found this on another user's user page. "Wikiquote is not a compendium of song lyrics or entire poems, and there are definite copyright issues in using more than a few lines of modern songs or modern poetry, even under fair use provisions. The same applies to dialogue from films, TV shows, and video games. While there are no legal impediments to using entire poems or lyrics that are in the public domain, the use of entire poems or the full lyrics of any songs are not encouraged, and a selection process of significant statements within a poem or a song should generally occur. Postings of copyrighted works on the internet does NOT place them in the public domain. See Wikiquote:Copyrights.". Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 02:50, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, in that case there's a lot to clean up at Wikiquote! - entire poems up to 250 words, long dialogues, etc.--Risto hot sir (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC)