User talk:FotoDutch

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Hello, FotoDutch, and welcome to English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! Mdd (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Lay out[edit]

Hi FotoDutch, thanks for your (new) work. You must have noticed the editorial changes I made in the Joseph Albers and Impressionism article. I merely try to implement the (nowadays) more standard lay-out. Some background info might give you a better understanding:

  • Thematic division in the articles subtitles is avoided as much as possible. Regularly just time periods or book/article titles are used.
  • The source description should give first a full account on the source. Extra description of - or comments on - the quote can be giving after this text, or in a separate line
  • Extra white lines between the quotes are being removed
  • There are Wikiquote:Limits on quotations concerning the number of quotes from one source. Now there are not yet specific quotes about how much can be copied from one website, but this should be limited. (and therefor I trimmed down the number of quotes here)
  • More personally I like to limit the number of quotes from one author in overview article, such as in the Impressionism. Normally only the best (or most notable) quotes are listed in the overview article.

... -- Mdd (talk) 15:04, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I only just noticed that there is a second problem with the most quotes by Claude Monet in the Impressionism article, that the only (remotely) relate to the theme. Those quote perfectly fit in the Claude Monet lemma and have been added there, but need to be reconsidered in the Impressionism article. -- Mdd (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I try to follow your advice, see Renoir.
Another thing...... and a quite embarrassing thing to me:
When I search on Google with the words 'Renoir' + 'Quotes' then the recommended page-link for Wikiquote comes only at the second linkpage of Google!!!
The same counts for 'Monet' + 'Quotes'
Not very convenient and friendly for all the pupils, students, scholars, teachers and art-lovers who like to read good and sourced quality quotes of famous artists and use the simple and very common searching method: 'name' + 'quotes'
And not very encouraging for me and others to attribute on Wikiquote. Then something of the page lay-out on Wikiquote must be wrong that the search-machines can fins so badly.
All the best.
Thanks for your understanding, and further additions to the Pierre-Auguste Renoir article. You might have noticed I rearranged the initial Impressionism article, taking a (big) step back in order to move forward again. In order to do so, I am trying to improve some of the related article as well.
As to the reason, why these Wikiquote articles are listed just on the second page had to do with the stub size of the article, the number of pages that link to "Pierre-Auguste Renoir" (which you can see here), and maybe also with the numbver of links the article offers.
What I try (almost) always to do with the lemma I created is to add links in other articles to the particular article, and I try to add (at least 3 to 7) quotes from the author in other thematic articles... -- Mdd (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Adding pictures[edit]

Hi, I noticed your request today and this earlier attempt. You are most welcome to select and add image yourself. Just keep in mind that on Wikiquote, we only add images available at Wikicommons.

To adding images there are a lot of possibilities, see Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. The most simple way is to use basic coding such as, for example:

[[File:Pierre-Auguste Renoir, Le Moulin de la Galette.jpg|thumb|right|Pierre-Auguste Renoir, 1876]]

So between the brackets you add the filename; the word "thumb" for thumb size; the word "right" for placement on the page; and any text you like. This can be a description of the image, but also any appropriate quote. I hope this will get you going. -- Mdd (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the manual for placing pictures on Wikiquote. I try. I noticed for the modern artists there are scarcly good pictures to finf on Wikicommons. Like for Joseph Albers. I saw your image there, but the point is, it is very uncharacteristic for the art of Albers in general.So it doesn't illustrate his quotes very well. The reason of course because there is little choice on WikiCommons! Is it possible to place pictures from (they have a large choice so you can really select) to Wikicommons? Then we can use them for Wikiquote.
FotoDutch (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It is indeed unfortunate that there are hardly any images available on modern and contemporary artists, especially if the haven't made any work in the open air. On the English Wikipedia they have a policy to use images based on fair use, but on Wikiquote they don't. This is understandable, because the primary mission is to collect quotes, which are already collected based on fair use practices.
As to the Joseph Alberts article, that first image was added there by UDScott (see here, and I just added another (see here).
As to those images on, there are also collected there using the fair use policy. Now the Wikimedia software allows us to only use images locally available or at wikicommons. Now again Wikicommons don't accept images to be uploaded on fair use policies because in a lot of countries, those rules don't apply... There is a lot more to it but I hope you get a general idea. -- Mdd (talk) 23:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Art movements[edit]

I saw you started already with Cubism!! Great! So we can go on with Futurism, Surrealism, Constructivism, Suprematism, De Stijl, Etc...

Is it possible to make a division in the quotes of such an art movement. ( That I had in my head to do with Impressionism, but it didn't evolve so far yet.)

I mean, for readers it will give clarity I believe, to differentiate between Artists quotes on Cubism from the Cubist artists & Quotes, comments, remarks, critics on Cubism from outside Cubism by artists / writers, art-critics Then we give at first a core-face or soul to Cubism art movement (including all kind of interior discussions and debates of course) as the Cubist artists developed, viewed, invented and reflected it - And a second part how later and/or outside Cubism there were all kind of reactions, comments etc .. by not-Cubists. It could be a model to all the oncoming art movements. What do you think? All the best FotoDutch (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

The article on Dada started in 2007 (see here), and this year the new articles on art movements are Constructivism (art), Minimalism, Impressionism and Cubism. If you compare it to the number of articles on philosophical movements (see here) it is just a beginning. There is however the requirement, there there must be (potentially) a substantial number of quotes from notable people. For example, today I cancelled my plan to create an article on Pointillism, and a lemma on Fauvism probably also doesn't make it (yet).
As to the rearrangement of the article, I stipulated before that specific kind of divisions are accepted nowadays, either chronological of by author. Now the impressionism is set up chronologically. If however you want to have the main accent on quotes by insiders and quotes by outsiders, than a chronological division might be better better. Then sort of automatically the quotes from insiders come first. -- Mdd (talk) 00:01, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion - I started Futurism with chronological divisions. Do you want to cheque and correct?FotoDutch (talk) 15:14, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I have given it a try, and ended up improving some of the articles on futurists. Eventually most of the initial quotes in the Futurism article are moved to those articles and others went in the other direction. The (or my) main idea is that this kind of thematic article should offers an (simple) overview; preferably of most important related artists. The lead of the Wikipedia article on futurism lists about 16 artists of which about 8 are mentioned. Not bad for a start. -- Mdd (talk) 01:29, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit summary[edit]

Can you explain me: If i Read in my contributions: Dada ‎ (more quotes before 1925) (current) What does it mean; Current. That is was already there in the quotes? Or something others? I attributed more quotes to Dada and removed the Stubb there, I Hope you agree. All the bestFotoDutch (talk) 12:33, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I suppose you are refering to overview of your user contributions here? The term (current) simply means that you were the last person to edit the article. When somebody else edits the article, that term will be removed in your overview of user contributions. This term is simply a feature of the wiki editor, and a relatively old one (which you can use similar to the use of your watchlist). -- Mdd (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, thanks! I was worrying that there were two concurrent versions, or something like that. —This unsigned comment is by FotoDutch (talkcontribs) . 13:08, June 16, 2014‎

Josef Albers[edit]

Hi, the lemma is trimmed back (again) because far too much quotes from one single interview where copy/pasted here. Please keep this in mind. -- Mdd (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought the source was of excellent quality (Smithonians Archive of American Art!!) and came from several interview-days. They pictured the figure Albers very well, I believe.
I want to use more Oral interviews from there for other artists. What is the maximum of quotes I can use from this one source? All the bestFotoDutch
The Wikiquote:Limits on quotations for spoken words speaks of "Five quotes maximum for any work not in the public domain." (see here) -- Mdd (talk) 11:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I hope you don't trim till 5. Is there a possibility to place more quotes than five on Wikisource and than make a link to it?
By the way: all Albers Quotes I recently added are placed on TES - presented there by me for Open Source, so Public Domain.. Look at: Everybody can download them there for free.
On Wikipedia such would require the written permission of the author or its inheritances. And in the case of a interview, it should include the permission of the interviewer as well. These is a similar to contemporary artists, who have their work photographed by professional photographers, and with the complicated Wikipedia system of archiving those permission... very very hard to get. Best regards. -- Mdd (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Well I leave it for a while. I now go on searching for illustrating artist-quotes on: Dada Surrealism - Futurism which you started on Wikiquote. I do it chronologically & alphabetically, like now, alright?