User:InvisibleSun:Archive 2

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Please leave it alone. There is no other significance for it.

It is fun. And I donated $20 to Wikipedia so I want my moneys worth. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) January 10, 2007 at 1:01 (UTC)

We can't make exceptions to our policy about notability. - InvisibleSun 01:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow I thought this place was supposed to be about... whatever.

Here: enjoy this Post for You


Hey, I have noticed you fixed up a bit the page on dentistry. Thanks a ton. If by any chance I have done something that is taboo or would be better done a different way, please feel free to change it up. My main work is done on wikipedia, so I am very ignorant of how things are over here. - Dozenist 03:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ted Ginn, Jr. VfD[edit]

Thank you for your vote on the VfD. I am new to Wikiquote, with experience on Wikipedia, so I am trying to contribute in a helpful way. Rkevins82 17:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing new VfD page[edit]

When I went to vote on the Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Charles Miller, Jr. page, the Show Preview for my vote appeared as an edit of the Template:Vfd-new2 page. Being the techno-ignoramus that I am, I wanted to ask first if there is something here that I'm missing. It surprised me to see, instead of the words of your nomination and the vote closing time, nothing but the format of the Template:VfD-new2 page. (I canceled my edit, of course, since it wasn't what I had intended.) - InvisibleSun 02:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I forgot to "subst:" the template. I've fixed it now. Wikipedia uses something to blast a large, bright red warning message to call attention to this failure. I'll see if I can port that to our new templates. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The Return of the King[edit]

Hi InvisibleSun. I noticed that you edit The Return of the King. Do you know what the deal is with all the seemingly indiscriminate bolding? Should it all be removed? Thanks, Fang Aili 20:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

For a discussion of bolding, there is an archived Village Pump topic here, dated July/August 2006, which provides an overview of the matter. - InvisibleSun 21:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
So basically there is no consensus one way or the other. Thanks for the link. --Fang Aili 22:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


Oh? So it's a novel... those quotes were scaring me... I thought it was just some kids joking around. Thanks, :). Cbrown1023 talk 00:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Extra Spacing for Plays and Poems[edit]

You wrote:

I'm currently working on the Shakespeare pages, adjusting them to a standard format, doing cleanup, etc. One of the things I've been doing with Wikiquote pages of plays or of poems is providing an extra space between quotations. I know there is nothing in our guidelines about this, but I've been doing it because the lines just seem cramped to me when grouped without the spacing. It's all a matter of individual judgment, of course; but I just wanted to let you know that I've been deliberately making this change to all the Shakespeare pages as I've been working on them. - InvisibleSun 18:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I was wondering about that. No worries - I'll leave them when I come upon them. As you've probably seen, I'm in the midst of an effort to better classify the Literary works we have here. ~ UDScott 18:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


just saying hi! ۝۝۝۝۝۝۝۝ 01:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


Why did you revert my edit? ۞ 01:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't be considered an NPOV remark. - InvisibleSun 01:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I doubt this user had any interest in the POV of Islam, but was instead trying to provoke RC patrollers, especially sysops. Please note that the above two topics, "Hello" and "Umm...", were created by two of three usernames established within 3 minutes of each other, using uncommon Unicode characters in an apparently deliberate attempt to confuse readers. I have indefinitely blocked all three (User:۞, User:۩, User:۝۝۝۝۝۝۝۝) as inappropriate usernames and sockpuppets from a disruptive editor. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Samuel Adams[edit]

I added the quote under a new section "Attributed". Would that be fine with you? He's been attributed by a number of sources as saying both that quote and the variant, but I can't find the particular context it came from. Nishkid64 01:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

We originally divided quotes into Sourced and Attributed, but lately we have begun to replace Attributed with Unsourced because we found that people often weren't quite sure what Attributed means. They would ask why a quote was listed as Attributed when no source of the quote was given. That wouldn't be a proper attribution, they would say. We'd reply that this was actually the point: an Attributed quote was one which hadn't yet been sourced. For this reason we now use Unsourced to make it clearer that no sources exist for those quotes. - InvisibleSun 02:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmm okay. Thanks for the explanation. I'll revert to your version for now. I was just fixing up the quotepage because I was working on bringing Samuel Adams to FA on the English Wikipedia. Nishkid64 02:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I stand corrected (Rosa Parks)[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out InvisibleSun, as I changed it in the wikipedia article too. Both are now fixed--McNoddy 11:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

American Crisis[edit]

Sounds like you've done some reseach on it am quite happy with your ideas and maybe it should emerged or something.--McNoddy 10:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay Seriously![edit]

LittleKuriboh should not have been deleted!

It may appear as useless BS in your eyes, but to others, it's a second Monty Python. It is not an "unremarkable" subject and should be remade! Please reply to me! Thanks.

Adding sources from Google Book Search[edit]

I noticed that you reverted a quote that someone removed from William S. Burroughs, but which you confirmed was accurate using Google Book Search. Might I ask that, when you check quotes that way, that you add the source information such a search provides? Since GBS gives the edition, ISBN (if available), and page number, sourcing the quote right then and there is a helpful increment toward our sourcing efforts. Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Marion Woodman page[edit]

Thanks for expanding the information for me. I have many of her books and I am planning on really making it a first-rate page as soon as I can get used to the style here. How did you know the quote was on pg 45? Psychic? Or Google Books or something? ;) Samuella 12:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

While reformatting the article, I noticed the ISBN for the book on Woodman's Wikipedia page. After adding the ISBN to the Wikiquote article, I clicked on it to take me to (as seen here). Since it's a book for which a "Search Inside" function has been provided, I was able to find the quote and its page number. Many books don't yet allow this searching on Amazon or Google, but this happened to be one of them. - InvisibleSun 17:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added a few more quotes just now. Perhaps it can be included in the main page's "new pages"? Samuella 23:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The Main Page's selection of New Pages is made by our administrator Kalki. - InvisibleSun 06:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

George Nicholson[edit]

I have edited the article. I think G.N. is not the same person as in the WP article and I have removed the link and added as much info as I have to the WQ article.--DieWeisseRose 09:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Couple of IPs need blocking - just done the same on Meta - thanks --Herby talk thyme 17:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Correction - assorted IP - still think it is a vandal attack similar to meta tho --Herby talk thyme 17:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but not given up yet! --Herby talk thyme 18:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Could you imagine a temporary semi-protection on the pages hit by the "unknown" bot? (I don't know what policies you have for page protections here.) Grtx, --Thogo 18:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that the vandalisms seem fairly random so far. If we protect these pages, they'd probably just go on to vandalize other ones. We tend to impose protection on pages that are vandalized recurrently over a period of time. - InvisibleSun 18:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, ok. Hm, let's hope that it is over for now... On Meta it seems to have stopped. --Thogo 18:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I'm wanting Charlie's Angels (TV series)'s quotes! Garfield said (or sang) I feel good! Fairy Godmother sang I need a Hero by Bonnie Tyler!

Jeff's page[edit]

Is it worth semi prot for a bit maybe? Seems to be attracting a lot of attention --Herby talk thyme 15:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree. - InvisibleSun 15:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


It's getting monotonous - my talk page tells more - I'll revert in due course. Stewards aware & CU request in - regards --Herby talk thyme 12:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't you just love a nice quiet Saturday. Stewards are placing a temp block on account creation - will let you know --Herby talk thyme 12:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help - CU run to a degree & I've placed some IP blocks. Posted on Admin board too - back to work! --Herby talk thyme 13:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all you've done. At one point I was in such a rush to keep up with the attacks that I accidentally put a block on myself! - InvisibleSun 13:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed - I blocked a good mate on en books because they had tagged a spambot page and I hit the wrong block! I got a rather peeved email half an hour later - regards --Herby talk thyme 13:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm impressed, InvisibleSun. It only took me 2 months as a sysop before I managed to block myself, and I didn't have the excuse of a mass-sockpuppet disrupter. Good work, and many thanks to the both of you for handling this latest annoyance quickly and effectively. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Stop This Vandlism Nonsense[edit]

There Was No Reason To Delete "JahMarley Wright" so I am Blocking You Indefind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) July 7, 2007 at 16:09 (UTC) - InvisibleSun 16:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

A user from the above IP address, claiming to have the powers of an administrator, has been temporarily blocked. The deleted pages of JahMarley Wright and JahDey Wright were hoaxes that have been created and deleted multiple times on Wikipedia, which now protects these articles from being created again. - InvisibleSun 16:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Re. George Barker (poet)[edit]

Dear InvisibleSun, first, let me apologize for not replying your helpful message right away, and taking a few days to get back to you. In fact, I've been away until yesterday for personal reasons, but I wished to tell you that I followed your advice to the letter, and made the moves and renaming you suggested - actually, it was the last thing I did before leaving for a couple of days! :) Thank you for your help, and for the awesome work you do around here. I hope to talk to you again soon. Have a beautiful day, Phaedriel - 17:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Tony Benn[edit]

Greetings from Wikinews. We have an interview with Tony Benn in ogg format. Work on a transcript is underway - I think there's some very usable quotes in it for here, Wikinews, and Wikipedia. Any help you can give sorting this out would be appreciated. Oh, and you really should request to usurp your username on Wikinews. See wikinews:WN:AAA and post something there for a bureaucrat. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


Vandal IP that you warned (caught my eye as they removed the warning - I've reverted that) - a tool you may not have come across and some info on it here. It might be useful in deciding how to deal with such contributions - regards --Herby talk thyme 07:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

...for blocking those vandals. I see one last bit of business to be done, though. :-) --Virana 00:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

You deleted it before I posted my message! never mind...--Virana 00:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Do me a favor- block me please![edit]

Please, please, the pain, the pain, ohh! AR Argon 07:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


Thank you so much for picking up where I left off on the vandalism - I had to step away for a bit and I thought it might continue. Thanks again! ~ UDScott 16:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You get all the fun![edit]

Might be worth nudging Jeff/Aphaia to CU those four - could be the same source. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 17:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

User talk:[edit]

I just want my name removed so those pages do not show up in , when i google my name on the internet. Can you please remove my name fro these pages. -- 14:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


... for cleaning up my talk page. Poetlister 23:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


Why do you want delete article Adam Mickiewicz?Hist 19:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

On the Adam Mickiewicz page you'll notice where it says "Please see this page's entry on the Votes for deletion page for justifications and discussion." Follow the link on "this page's entry" and you will find what you are looking for. You're welcome to join the discussion there over the next week until a consensus decision has been made. - InvisibleSun 19:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy vs. prod[edit]

I requested that Casey calvert be speedied because it fell into the category of no content: "Articles which contain neither an introduction to the topic nor any quote." You changed to a prod. Can you tell me why? Would it have made a difference if I had realized that Casey Calvert was notable? Thanks for your help. --Ubiquity 02:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've just made a reply in the current speedy deletion discussion raising similar questions in the matter of SD. It seems to me that our SD and Prod policies are in conflict to some extent. After having speedily deleted the Casey Calvert article, I restored it on the grounds that, even though it could be deleted per our SD rules, a notable person's article could be kept for a week in case someone might come along and make it suitable for keeping. Since Calvert died just a few days ago, I thought it possible that one or more contributors, including the person who posted the article, might be prompted by the Prod to add quotations. - InvisibleSun 03:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I get it. I'll be more careful. Ironically, I would have spotted Anything Goes as notable right away. It's names like Jari Sillanpää and Casey Calvert that don't ring a bell. Can you tell I'm over 50? ;-) --Ubiquity 05:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


Hello, I am new at en.wikiquote so I please you for help, what should I do, that this quote about Laibach won't be a stub. Thank you. I will be very gladful.--Amazone7 10:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply sent to the Amazone7 talk page - InvisibleSun 07:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


dont mess with my quote fool {{unsigned2|on December 29, 2007 at 0:14|}

New Year's resolution[edit]

Happy New Year! One of my New Year's resolutions is to finish Wikiquote:Bartlett's 1919 Index - but I can't do it alone. There are 234 red links for which articles need to be created, and 275 blue links for which articles need to be checked. Although I've been trying to get one done each day, lately I have not had time to do even that! Please consider making a commitment to help me keep my resolution by creating or checking one entry on this page per week. Help public domain quotes find their home in 2008! Cheers! BD2412 T 05:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you know you don't have to keep all that gross stuff in the edit history when you delete a vile page. BD2412 T 05:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Prod on Mass Effect[edit]

I declined the Prod as there are now enough quotes. Please shout if you disagree.--Poetlister 15:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


i need help from wikiquoters to start a new page? what do i need to do? --Coretega 07:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


Would it interest you to become a Wikiquote administrator? You've contributed so much to this site. If it isn't, however, something that would appeal to you, I hope that you will pardon this intrusion. - InvisibleSun 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy to second the invitation.--Cato 20:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Goodness, this is certainly an unexpected honour! I'm very pleased to have been asked, but it wouldn't be a good idea for me to accept. You see, I'm the sort of man who can only concentrate on the things he shouldn't really be doing. I can be very industrious at idling, such as I do here, but making me an admin would be the first step towards making it a chore for me to log on to Wikiquote, and that would be the end of it. Much better that I should carry on creating pages, and doing the odd bit of maintenance on the side. But thanks again for the vote of confidence. Cheers! Antiquary 20:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Richard III of England[edit]

Thanks. I think I do have dates for them, Kendall's book has good footnotes. I'll scare them up today when I get time. They are already in chronological order, fortunately. I've got a couple of other resources on the period in question, too. I eventually want to put together a Wars of the Roses theme page. That is the first time period that written English becomes mostly intelligible to modern readers, Malory, etc. Richard III was one of Caxton's first patrons, who was responsible for a lot of our modern orthography.. --Bradeos Graphon 14:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


Thank you fore cleaning up in my C. Wright Mills wikiquote article.Best wishes,Jan Milch,Gothenburg-- 20:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

For protecting from vandals. Greetings from Greece DefendEurope 05:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


Thanks. I shouldn't be editing this early in the morning!--Cato 06:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for protecting my user talk page, Invisible. Was whoever did it aiming at me, or had he been blanking a lot of other pages too? --Ubiquity 22:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

He'd gotten to vandalize quite a number of user talk pages, including sysops, before being blocked. I had the dubious honor of being the first sysop whose page he had attacked, perhaps because I'd already blocked him twice. - InvisibleSun 23:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello InvisibleSun and many thanks for reverting the vandalism to my talkpage! And thanks, that IP anon has been blocked by you:) Prasuk talk to me 08:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC) And please protect (edit=autoconfirmed) my userpage, because on my talk was vandalism and I don't want vandalism on my userpage. Prasuk talk to me 08:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

(Transferring an edit placed on my user page)[edit]

I dont know how to write back to you but someone deleted a quote i put up and i dont understand why? - (talk · contributions) on april 15, 2008 at 6:10

The only quote you added so far was on the Logic page and is still there. The only other edits you have made were vandalism on the Wikiquote and Wikipedia pages of another contributor. - InvisibleSun 06:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks; you may be interested to know there's movement towards getting his ISP on his case; w:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Grawp oldid. Any chance those edits can be deleted from my pages? Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 10:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


I have created User:Davenbelle to prevent impersonation; this was my original username; I don't want it, I just don't want it appearing later. The account User:Senang Hati is another impersonator; my en:wp Jack account used to be named this and it was re-created and began harassing me. The articles w:Senang Hati Foundation and w:Smile Foundation of Bali were started by me (see [1]). I would like both of these accounts blocked for good. If you have any doubt, I can show you lots backing this up. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 11:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I blocked User:Davenbelle, but you will need to create an account for User:Senang Hati in order for me to block it. - InvisibleSun 07:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The SH account was created in December -- not by me. I just tagged the page; didn't see that you had created something there and then deleted it. See m:User talk:Herbythyme#Davenbelle for background. This one of a bunch. The one on meta just ran amok [2]. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks re the Davenbelle account. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
and thanks re SH. Sorry if my note on the user page was too terse; I was pasting it onto several wikis after the talk on meta. Dude will be back; block any knock-off of my past usernames (or w:user:Gavin.collins) quickly. See m:User talk:Jack Merridew/Matrix for my list of bad boys. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you please review and then block an impersonator?[edit]

User:TTN, here, is an impostor of w:User:TTN (oldid); en:wp's TTN has requested the one here be blocked; diff. I left a message about this at User talk:Poetlister#User:TTN) but it has not been acted on. See also the silliness on my talk page and the whole thread on w:User talk:TTN#Greetings From Bali. The overall context for this is the long-running dispute on en:wp about the non-notability of TV episode and character articles. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I've looked over the info and have blocked the User:TTN account. - InvisibleSun 13:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Terima kasih — Thank you in Bahasa Indonesia. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 14:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

wow sorry bout my raping O.O[edit]

answer there>

hey also a Q: i wanna enter these quotes by 2 people, a Greek Politician and an American Diplomat about the Macedonian Dispute, in a quote sequence.
when we wanna enter a dialogue between 2-3-4 people. how is the format for that? thanx
-DefendEurope 16:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
A dialogue can be added as seen by the following example from the Gabriel García Márquez page:

* Interviewer: You describe seemingly fantastic events in such minute detail that it gives them their own reality. Is this something you have picked up from journalism?
García Márquez: That's a journalistic trick which you can also apply to literature. If you say that there are elephants flying in the sky, people are not going to believe you. But if you say that there are four hundred and twenty-five elephants in the sky, people will probably believe you.
** Interview with Peter Stone (winter 1981), The Paris Review Interviews: Writers at Work, Sixth Series (1984), p. 324

Do you have, by the way, a published source for the quote you wish to add? For copyright reasons, we can't allow links to YouTube. We also don't use them as sources. Videos, because they are often removed in copyright disputes, are not considered adequate sources here at Wikiquote. - InvisibleSun 18:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

oh, so youtube videos are never-ever used for quotes? where does it say that? hmm. can't complain, that makes sense...

i thought youtube was public domain... well it is.. but it's about videos being taken down etc huh? well we can't deny the existence of a quote being said on camera. unless we claim it's a made-up edited, fake video, right?.. these news are fresh.. they don't manage to get into other written publications... i know Newspapers are ok, aren't they?, but as you know newspapers sum up the quotes and they don't actually quote like we do here =/ ... so i'll see what i can find in newspapers...thanx
-DefendEurope 21:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Honoré de Balzac[edit]

I'd noticed you were working on the Balzac page yesterday, but didn't have time to check in on much of what you were doing until a few minutes ago. As I've stated on my talk page, I will likely have only a very limited amount of time to check in here for at least a few weeks, and only have time to make a brief comment now.
I know it is necessary to replace crude and unpublished translations which occur on some pages with published ones, but I strongly feel that previously published or widely quoted translations shouldn't be simply replaced by other ones, no matter how superior in some aspects they might be considered to be. This is especially true when adding quotes from recent translations, as the older forms are usually more widely quoted and people might be looking for quotes in that form and not find them because newer translations have been used to replace them. I'd strongly recommend re-adding those translations which you've recently replaced with newer ones, at least as "Variant translations". ~ Kalki 12:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The translations I've been using aren't new: the translators (Ellen Marriage, Katharine Prescott Wormeley, James Waring et al) date from the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. I preferred to use them because:

1) They include the Wikisource and Project Gutenberg translations, which allows for wiki consistency and for convenient online referencing.

2) They figure prominently on Google Book Search, which suggests that they are still widely in use.

3) Using one particular translation for each book in the subsections means that translators don't have to named with each quote; they can be named instead at the beginnings of the sections.

4) I found, as I was sourcing, that the translations already on the Balzac page were almost never traceable to the original sources, i.e., the translated texts of Balzac's books. They would usually appear only in secondary sources, such as quotation books, where they weren't sourced beyond Balzac's name, and often with a number of little variants which suggested that the translations were not particularly dependable. Although the presence of these translations in secondary sources might mean that some readers will know these versions better, should they take precedence over quotes from the translated books themselves? In a question of conflicting priorities, I would argue that verifiability is even more important than familiarity. While working on sourcing the Unsourced quotes, I often found that the only way I could trace them was actually to work backward: starting with the likely French words or phrases; discovering the sources from the French texts; and finding the English translations based on where I now knew them to be. My basic purpose in working on the Balzac page was to provide the original French; but in doing so I concluded, for the reasons stated already, that it would be better whenever necessary to make changes.

5) It would be possible, of course, to add variant translations along with quotes; but the results, I would argue, would be decidedly cluttered. On a page for an author who wrote in another language, each quote will have three branches, so to speak: the quote in the original language; the English translation; and the source (or, in subsections, the chapters). Adding one or more variant quotes would make, it seems to me, for complicated and awkward formatting. - InvisibleSun 14:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I Claudius[edit]

Would it be possible to change the article so the comma can go in and it will be I, Claudius? - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Katana Geldar (talkcontribs) on May 21, 2008 at 13:05 (UTC)

I added the comma and also added "(TV series)" so that it would match the Wikipedia article. - InvisibleSun 13:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Gotthold Ephraim Lessing[edit]

Thanks much, you found a ton of stuff. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 13:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Jack Merridew[edit]

Hi, again. As I was building that I saw that there were a large number of LOTF quotes in the Golding article. I had been thinking that stuff could merge the other was -- or possibly to a Lord of the Flies page. I'm obviously new here, so I'll follow other's leads. From the looks of the expanded quote, you had a copy of the book at hand! Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 14:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

There used to be a separate page for Lord of the Flies; but I merged it with the William Golding page, which up until then was only a stub article. Our preference in articles is for authors rather than books and for books rather than characters. It's only when an author's page becomes unwieldy that we would prefer to have separate book pages. The Golding article, however, is only about 12,000 bytes at present. Likewise, the only time a character article is advised is for a character who recurs in numerous works, e.g., Sherlock Holmes. As you can see by the Category:Articles to be merged page, we're having a hard time resisting the tide of editors who prefer books and characters to authors.

I do indeed have a copy of Lord of the Flies: it's the old "Casebook" edition from 1964. - InvisibleSun 15:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers, I'll keep 'em in mind. I looked at the history of these pages after I posted the above and see how it went. If you know any of my en:wp history you'll know that I've a dim view of non-notable articles on pop-culture prolefeed and the in-universe focus that is common there. A problem, in some cases, with focusing on authors may be that tv shows are written by a staff and don't have a single author.
FWIW, I see myself as more like 'Ralph' than 'Jack'. Only one person on en:wp recognized the name. The copy of LOTF that I have currently is a '63 Penguin edition that's rather faded and frail; my newer copy is out on loan to someone. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 10:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Irving[edit]

Thanks for deleting this one. I was pretty sure this was a hoax, but was not 100% - I thought someone would step in with the knowledge. Thanks! ~ UDScott 15:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

List of films[edit]

Just a comment: I saw that you had deleted a few red-linked pages from this list. Usually when I am cleaning up this (and other such lists), if there is a red-link page I move it to the Requested section rather than just deleting it (and I move pages that have been created up from Requested to the created section). I think that people just don't realize that there are two parts to the list and they should put ones that have not yet been created under 'Requested'. ~ UDScott 19:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I'll add the deleted titles to the Requested list. - InvisibleSun 19:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


What qualifies as a source? I noticed this? Maxim 14:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

A quote is considered sourced when it can be traced to a book, newspaper, magazine, etc., providing evidence that the quote appears to be genuine. It can also be viewed on an online link when one is available. On the Wikipedia page for Jacques Plante, for example, some of the facts were sourced from a Hockey Hall of Fame profile of Plante. If this had been the source of a Jacques Plante quotation on Wikiquote, the source line after the quote would look like this:

** Quoted in Kevin Shea, "One on One with Jacques Plante," Hockey Hall of (2005-05-24)

This shows the reader that the quote can be traced to an interview/profile of Plante. An unsourced quote, on the other hand, is one where either no source is provided or the alleged source turns out merely to state that the person said it, with no evidence, as in the page you had linked to. For this reason I had changed the Plante quote heading from Sourced to Unsourced. - InvisibleSun 15:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

So if I add quotes from "One on One with Jacques Plante,", are they then considered sourced? Maxim 16:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes. - InvisibleSun 17:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I hate being a pain, but can you please delete Category:Hockey players? It's been sitting around for a day. Maxim 17:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Smile.png Maxim 17:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)