User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)

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Hello, Whatamidoing (WMF), and welcome to English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi Whatamidoing (WMF)

I see you, unlike many other wmf employees, have a talkpage here on wikiquote. I hope the rest of my post does not make you regret this (just kidding).

WMF employees are in the habit of posting long and indecipherable (to me at least) messages to our Village pump often, but most do not have a local page. Some examples:

Seems to me that someone who really wants to communicate with their audience would have a wikiqutien presence, if only by maintaining a local talkpage. Your views? Ottawahitech (talk) 08:21, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, @Ottawahitech. Those messages are sent via MassMessage. If a wiki doesn't want to get them (or wants to change the page they're posted to), then there is a link in a at the end of the message that you can edit to remove/change the page.
There are, depending upon how you count, somewhere between 500 and 1,000 wikis. It is not possible for any human to truly maintain a presence at all the wikis, but sometimes it is appropriate to contact all the wikis anyway.
Besides, most people don't create their own talk pages. I have one here only because Ningauble created it. My user talk page is a place for communities to reach me, not a place for me to advertise my existence to them. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:59, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the informative reply. I have some views on this topic, but hate to pick on you individually. Unfortunately I have no choice (if I try to explain this I may get into trouble). I would not be upset if you take a couple of weeks to reply at your leisure.
I understand that wmf employees cannot be expected to be everywhere at once. However, I believe that in order to be effective one needs to have some basic understanding of one's audience. I hate to pick on one individual employee, such as User: SGrabarczuk (WMF), one who does even have a page on our star project (see: ), but who posted the most recent mass message at Wikiquote's villagepump. His (I see he is a man from his picture) Meta page tells me he is active on the Polish wikipedia, and that his knowledge of English is en-3. I don't know which wikis he is active on, and hope that his experience makes him a good Community Relations Specialist.
To me it feels like WMF employees make no effort to communicate with their provincial subjects. They stay aloof and do not mix in with those they "rule". I believe their work would be more effective if they tried to communicate with the community they are in charge of .
Just my $.02. Cheers 20:15, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey Ottawahitech! Thanks for your $0.2. Let's discuss these in an order:
  1. You believe my last message was long and indecipherable? May I (within 2-3 weeks) prepare a few different samples in pairs and ask which of the two is better in your opinion?
  2. Would have a wikiqutien presence, if only by maintaining a local talkpage - on some projects, creating one's own talk page, removing sections, or answering to others' comments on the same user talk page may be badly received or even prohibited :)
  3. Regarding us staying aloof, it's your right to perceive like that, but I also believe it's not our intention to rule (or to "rule") anyone. We also do not believe we're in charge of anyone. To me, this feels like a classic misalignment of mutual positions and expectations.
  4. Could you give more examples why it feels to you like we make no effort to communicate with you? What should change, what should be improved?
SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@SGrabarczuk (WMF): I really appreciate your taking the time to address my concerns in so much detail. Would you mind if we move this discussion to WQ village pump so that more wikiqutiens get involved? Also to be fair to whatamIdoing who may not appreciate their talkpage being hijacked? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Ottawahitech, do you think it's more important to have a non-global userpage, or to have a local user talk page? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@whatamIdoing, sorry I don't understand the question. What is a non-global userpage vs. a local user talk page? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:51, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
If you make a User: page on Meta-Wiki, it will be shown everywhere, unless you create a local user page to override it. For example, if you go to my user page at the German Wikipedia, it's not actually "at" the German Wikipedia. It's just my user page from Meta-Wiki, which gets automagically copied over to all the other wikis, unless I've manually created a local user page to override it. Do you object to this, and think that everyone should make hundreds of local copies? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Wow, I just saw your reply, and I have learned something new. I used to have a userpage at Meta, but it was deleted by an admin a long time ago. I did not realize that it was visible on all other wmf-wikis. I always assumed there was some wmf-magic involved in creating those Global pages on a local wikis. I'll have to reflect o your question and come back with an answer later. Much appreciated. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

redirects to redirects[edit]

Hi Whatamidoing (WMF),

I remember posting this question a while ago somewhere on wmf-land, and I remember you answered my question, but I cannot for the life of me remember where the question and answers are (I know its in my notifications, but in which wiki?). I was thinking of this after just creating a redirect bill which redirects to legislation which currently redirects to law. If I redirect bill to [Law]] and skip legislation, and someone comes along and creates legislation, bill will be redirecting to the wrong article. Am I making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC) BTW it would be nice if we had a help-desk here like the one on enwiki, but that's a whole new ballgame. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's how it works. It's the double-redirect problem. The redirect gives you a single "jump" to a page. It won't redirect through a chain. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:21, 26 December 2020 (UTC)