User talk:DragonflySixtyseven

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Donald Trump[edit]

I reverted your change of caption. While that "p*ssy" remark from a decade ago is certainly one that needs to be highlighted, the accompanying image should appear to the right of the quote to situate it in time, and not at the start of the article, because it isn't by any means Trump's most famous, or most significant, quote. (You can of course dispute this.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I disagree with DanielTom's edit summary about which is the "more significant quote". The one quote is a perfectly unremarkable way to expresses a commonplace idea that has been much more memorably expressed by others, and the other is remarkably pointed observation on the power and privilege of stardom. Only time will tell which of Mr. Trump's utterances will be regarded as most memorably famous, and hence worthy of featuring at or near the top of the article; but I rather doubt it will be this trite and generic formulation from his ghostwriter. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Right now, it's 5000–100 (Google) and 15–0 (Google Books) hits in "my" favor. But yes, time will tell. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
That said, I think it important to combine that quote with the picture of the star. It's the perfect combination. DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Is it? To me (I'm admittedly somewhat biased) it seems like an attempt to reduce his accomplishments to a remark unheard of just a couple of days ago. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
It's a quote about being a star, and a picture of his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 17:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Its current caption is about accomplishments, and that star is Trump's accomplishment. I think your idea would be fine if Trump were talking about just himself, but 1) he was talking about stars in general, and 2) he seems to have been trying to impress, and give advice or directions to, some other younger guy. So it could be misleading to have the "Donald Trump" star image associated with that "p*ssy" remark. Images of the speaker are harder to object to, so what do you think of using this image of Donald Trump, taken a year after the "p*ssy" remark, to go along with it instead? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
His 1987 book clearly does not refer to the success of a television program that premiered in 2004, so relevance of the image to the quote under WQ:IMAGE is tenuous at best. Success of the TV show is indeed one of his achievements but, until the present political campaign got underway, I would have defined his principal achievement more broadly as being one of the most successful self-promoters of all time – no mean feat. However, that is just my opinion and it has been overtaken by events.

I expect that we will know fairly soon, certainly within his lifetime, whether history will chiefly remember him as the president who made America great (or made it something else, whatever), or as the candidate who did to the Republican Party what the campaign of 1852 did to its predecessor, the Whig Party. His achievement of television stardom pales by comparison.

Re. your characterization of the "When you're a star" quote, (1) that he framed it as a statement about stardom generally rather than his personal achievements in kissing and groping does not make it less quoteworthy, it expresses his insight on the nature of fame – that you can get away with anything, and (2) it sounded more like braggadocio than advice to me, but I will grant that it is ambiguous in a context where they both appear to have been egging each other on. I fully agree with DragonflySixtyseven that a picture of his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is the perfect accompaniment to his remarks about stardom. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't think so, but okay. @DragonflySixtyseven: you're welcome to reclaim that image. (I'll only object if you place it at the start of the article, instead of to the right of the quote in chronological order.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Betsy DeVos[edit]

Very biased intro (fixed by an admin). How do you live with yourself, being so biased? "Ends justify the means"? I get the political opposition, but the way you're going about it is unprincipled and wrong. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)