Wikiquote:Votes for deletion

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Votes for deletion is the process where the community discusses whether a page should be deleted or not, depending on the consensus of the discussion.

Please read and understand the Wikiquote deletion policy before editing this page.

  • Explain your reasoning for every page you list here, even if you think it is obvious.
  • Always be sure to sign your entry or vote, or it will not be counted.


The process

Requesting deletions

To list a single article for deletion for the first time, follow this three-step process:

I: Put the deletion tag on the article.
Insert the {{vfd-new}} tag at the top of the page.
  • Please do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use the edit summary to indicate the nomination; this can be as simple as "VFD".
  • You can check the "Watch this page" box to follow the page in your watchlist. This allows you to notice if the VfD tag is removed by a vandal.
  • Save the page.
II: Create the article's deletion discussion page.
Click the link saying "this article's entry" to open the deletion-debate page.
  • Copy the following: {{subst:vfd-new2| pg=PAGENAME| text=REASONING — ~~~~}}. Replace PAGENAME with the name of the page you're nominating, and REASONING with an explanation of why you think the page should be deleted. Note that the signature/timestamp characters (~~~~) are placed inside the braces {{ }}, not outside as with standard posts.
  • Explanations are important when nominating a page for deletion. While it may be obvious to you why a page should be deleted, not everyone will understand and you should provide a clear but concise explanation. Please remember to sign your comment by putting ~~~~ at the end.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Save the page.
III: Notify users who monitor VfD discussion.
Copy the tag below, and then click  THIS LINK  to open the deletion log page. At the bottom of the log page, insert:
{{subst:vfd-new3 | pg=PAGENAME}}

replacing PAGENAME appropriately.

  • Please include the name of the nominated page in the edit summary.
  • Save the page. Your insertion will be automatically expanded to the same form as the preceding lines in the file: {{Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/PAGENAME}}.
  • Consider also adding {{subst:VFDNote|PAGENAME}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the article's principal contributor(s).

Note: Suggestions for requesting deletion of multiple pages, non-article pages, and repeat nominations may be found at VFD tips.

Voting on deletions

Once listed, the entire Wikiquote community is invited to vote on whether to keep or delete each page, or take some other action on it. Many candidate articles will have specific dates by which to vote; if none is given, you can assume at least seven days after the article is listed before the votes are tallied.

To vote, jump or scroll down to the entry you wish to vote on, click its "edit" link, and add your vote to the end of the list, like one of these:

  • Keep. ~~~~
  • Delete. ~~~~
  • (other actions; explain) ~~~~
  • Comment (not including action) ~~~~

Possible other actions include Merge, Rename, Redirect, Move to (sister project). Please be clear and concise when describing your action.

The four tildes (~~~~) will automatically add your user ID and a timestamp to your vote. This is necessary to ensure each Wikiquotian gets only a single vote. You can add some comments to your vote (before the tildes) to explain your reasons, but it is not required. However, it may help others to decide which way to vote.

Please do not add a vote after the closing date and time; any late vote may be struck out and ignored by the closing admin.

NOTE: Although we use the term "vote", VfD is not specifically a democratic process, as we have no way of verifying "one person, one vote". It is designed to "take the temperature" of the community on a subject. Sysops have the responsibility of judging the results based on a variety of factors, including (besides the votes) policies, practices, precedents, arguments, compromises between conflicting positions, and seriousness of the participants.

Closing votes and deleting articles

Sysops have the responsibility to review the list and determine what articles have achieved a consensus, whether it is for deletion, preservation, or some other action. All candidate articles should be listed here at least seven days before the votes are tallied. Many VfD entries will have "Vote closes" notices to indicate when the votes will be tallied.

  • The sysop tallying the vote should add a "vote closed" header with the result of the vote, and sign it.
  • If consensus is for deletion, the sysop should follow the deletion process to delete the article.
  • If it is to keep, or if there is no consensus for action, the sysop should remove the {{vfd-new}} tag from the article and post a notice on the article's talk page about the completed VfD, including a link to the VfD discussion on that article. The {{vfd-kept-new}} template can be used for a standard notice.
  • There may also be a vote to move (rename) or otherwise change the article. The sysop's actions will depend on the specific situation in these cases. In those cases, a notice should also be posted on the talk page documenting the decision.

To avoid conflict of interest, a sysop should never close a VfD that he or she started. However, a sysop may close a VfD in which he or she has voted.

After a reasonable time, a sysop will then move the entire entry into the appropriate month page of the VfD log. (Some old discussions are available only in the old Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive.)

Note: In the interest of cross-wiki cooperation, please check Wikipedia to make sure their articles don't link back to an article that has just been deleted. Also de-link any other language edition articles (though if you find that daunting, EVula is more than happy to do so).

Reviewing closed votes

All closed votes will be archived indefinitely in per-month pages at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Log. (A few are still found only in the old Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive.) See that page for details.

Deletion candidates


Benneth Nwankwo

Questionable notability with no Wikipedia article — Jusjih (talk) 01:25, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Vote closes: 02:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete for the cited reason (plus the lone quote is not sourced). ~ UDScott (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete. This may need to be salted since articles on him have been deleted repeatedly at Wikipedia under multiple names. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Honey (disambiguation)

This is a contested {{prod}}.[3] Please refer to discussion at User talk:Allixpeeke#Disambiguation pages and User talk:Allixpeeke#Honey (disambiguation). (Originally there was no article titled Honey, but one has subsequently been created.)

The purpose of a disambiguation page is to direct readers to the right page when there is more than one existing article to which the disambiguated term might be expected to lead. (WP:DAB) A disambiguation page is not a search index (WP:NAMELIST): it should only link to articles that could plausibly be titled by essentially the same name as the ambiguous term.

No disambiguation is needed because there is only one Wikiquote article that might reasonably be expected to be titled "Honey". None of the linked articles are useful for someone who is looking for an article on the topic of some sense of the word "Honey" but Honey itself. — Ningauble (talk) 17:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Vote closes: 18:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete as nom. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep:
  1. Honey
  2. Honey (2003 film)
  3. Honey (band)
allixpeeke (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep, but only list the three pages mentioned above, removing the other references. I agree with Ningauble's point about the disambig page. It should not be used for every possible mention of a word, but rather only for pages that are similarly titled. ~ UDScott (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Chick Island

This article was {{prod}} because "None of the quotes about this very narrow topic display any of the qualities of Wikiquote:Quotability." The tag was removed with various explanations at User talk:Allixpeeke#Chick Island and at Talk:Chick Island#This page was previously nominated for deletion. — Ningauble (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Vote closes: 19:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep for the following reasons:
[NOTE: These reasons are similar to reasons I've posted before, but reworded and slightly expanded.]
  1. If the problem with the article is that the quotes aren't quotable enough, then the solution shouldn't be to delete the article, but to find quotes that are even more quotable.  Thus, I added a {{Quotability}} notice in place of the original deletion notice, which should help direct editors to help improve the article.
  2. I believe the quotability standard should be that a page should contain the most quotable quotes that exist about its topic.  I also believe that these are the most quotable quotes about this Chick Island that one can find.

    That being said, if I am wrong, if there are quotes out there about Chick Island that are more quotable than the quotes already contained in the page, then the solution is to add them to the page, not to delete the page altogether.

  3. Another principle that I hold is that, if the topic itself is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia (which this one is), then it is notable enough to appear on Wikiquote.  No one, including the person who nominated this page for deletion, has argued against this principle.  Not even the person who nominated this page for deletion has argued that Chick Island is not a notable topic.  (Or, if she or he has, she or he has not expressed this feeling to me.)  The person who nominated this page for deletion has said that the the issue isn't regarding the notability of the topic, but rather the quotability of the quotes.

    Since the disagreement on what to do with this page focuses entirely around the topic of quotability and not around the topic of notability, I believe our objective, as Wikiquote editors, can be stated thusly: "to find the most quotable quotes about this inherently-notable topic."  In other words, if these aren't the most quotable quotes that exist about this inherently-notable topic, the solution is to find these more-quotable quotes and add them to the page, not to delete the inherently-notable topic altogether.

    As an inclusionist (as well as an eventualist), I would find it dismaying to see this article deleted instead of being improved.

  4. I agree with the inclusionist phrase that "Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia," and I believe that that standard can and must be extended to Wikiquote, being restated as "Wikiquote is not a paper anthology of quotes."

    According to inclusionists, "Since Wikipedia does not have the same space limitations as a paper encyclopedia, there is no need to restrict content in the same way that a paper encyclopedia does."  Deleting this page might make sense if we were creating a physical book of quotes on the topic of islands—but we aren't.  Keeping this page in existence in a physical book might use of valuable space and make it harder to find the topics for which one is actually looking; but the same is not true here(A) This page uses up almost no space.  (B) This page isn't making it the least bit harder for readers to find other topics; it's not like a person has to turn to this page before turning to the topic for which she or he is looking.  Indeed, keeping this page has zero negative repercussions.  By contrast, deleting this page has does have a negative repercussion: those who are looking for quotes about this topic will be unable to find them on Wikiquote, and will have to search for them elsewhere.

  5. The motto of the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians "is Conservata veritate, which translates to, 'with truth preserved.'  This motto reflects a desire to change Wikipedia only when no knowledge would be lost as a result."  Deleting this page would result in a loss of knowledge.  The solution isn't to get rid of the knowledge of these quotes, but to find even better quotes in order to make the page even better.  (Contrariwise, if one wishes to argue that this page can't get any better, then that's not a reason for deleting the page, but rather for keeping it.)
The Wikimedia page for Inclusionism contains a number of other arguments against deletion, some of which I shall post here with some minor edits to clarify the relevancy to Wikiquote:
  1. "Deletions and deletionism goes against the entire basic premise of Wikipedia [and other Wikiprojects, such as Wikiquote]: Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge.  That's what we're doing. — Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia."
  2. "It's easy to criticize and delete, whereas it's much more difficult to do research and [add quotes].  'Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.' — Peter Benenson, founder of Amnesty International."
  3. "It can be frustrating for a reader to come to [Wikiquote] looking for [quotes], and instead find that the relevant article that existed at one point has since then been deleted.  This discourages both [Wikiquote] readership and authorship."
  4. "Part of the reason people use [Wikiquote] is that it is a vibrant source [of quotes about] obscure knowledge, especially about obscure topics that aren't covered in a more traditional [anthologies of quotations].  Other methods of ensuring quality, such as labeling a page 'In Need of [more-quotable quotes]', are more than enough to correct problems."
  5. "Deletions and deletionism may cause disappointed contributors to leave the project.  Fun?"
  6. "[Wikiquote] is used at free risk.  There is no need to delete articles 'lacking of quality [quotes]'.  But there is always a chance to improve them."
  7. "On the Internet, outside [Wikiquote], why do you think there are a lot of people complaining over deletions, but not a lot of people complaining over articles actually existing?"
  8. "Deleting a well-written, well-sourced article on the basis of notability can reduce the amount of valuable information on Wikipedia."  [This one doesn't entirely apply since no one has argued that this topic isn't notable.]
  9. "It's a strength that [Wikiquote] can cover as much knowledge [topics] as possible."
  10. "Today's [quoters] are limited only by totally manmade notability guidelines.  It's like rejecting the progress of technology, and still today travel across the Atlantic Ocean by sailing ship instead of motorship (or maybe aeroplane!)."
  11. "One article added, another one deleted.  It can't be easy for [Wikiquote] to expand!"
In summation, if this page needs to be improved, then improve it, don't delete it.  And, if it's as good as it can get, then that's also an argument for keeping it, not deleting it.

allixpeeke (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Amendment in red.  allixpeeke (talk) 00:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Regarding the statement about me in allixpeeke's point #3, that "no one, including the person who nominated this page for deletion, has argued against this principle":  this is flatly false. I have been arguing for years that notability is necessary but not sufficient for an article – that Wikiquote articles must contain quotable quotes. I even addressed the point directly to you when giving notice if this nomination. Nor am I the only one to assert notability is necessary but not sufficient for an article: it may even be found in the highly visible Wikiquote:Quotability guideline.

    Denying the fact that others have expressed and supported a position that you oppose is not a valid or honest form of argument. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Response(A) In number three, I said that you have not argued against the principle that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote.  The point was that you were limiting your argument to the alleged non-quotability of the quotes provided, instead of broadening your argument to include the possible non-notability of the topic itself.  If you have ever argued that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are not ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote, I have never read it.  If you ever have said this, then my apologies for implying that you had not; I should have instead said that you never expressed this to me.

    (B) You write, "I have been arguing for years that notability is necessary but not sufficient for an article – that Wikiquote articles must contain quotable quotes."

    Exactly.  In no way does saying this indicate that you don't believe Chick Island meets the necessary condition of notability, only that it-meeting-that-condition is not sufficient.  Nor does saying this in any way indicate that you would disagree with the principle that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote.  The implication is that Chick Island is notable, but that you don't believe its notability is sufficient.

    (C) You write, "I even addressed the point directly to you when giving notice if this nomination."

    But, in said notice, you wrote, "but your premise that 'if the topic itself is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia (which it is), then it is notable enough to appear on Wikiquote' is not the whole story".

    When someone says that x is not the whole story, that implies that x is part of the story.  In other words, that implies "if the topic itself is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia (which it is), then it is notable enough to appear on Wikiquote" is part of the story.  You saying that that was part of the story confused me as to your beliefs.  If you don't believe that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote, then instead of saying "but your premise that 'if the topic itself is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia (which it is), then it is notable enough to appear on Wikiquote' is not the whole story" (emphasis added), wouldn't it have made more sense to say "but your premise that 'if the topic itself is notable enough to appear on Wikipedia (which it is), then it is notable enough to appear on Wikiquote' is wrong" (emphasis added)?

    As you can see, it was only reasonable for me to infer that you agreed with the principle, and that your only argument against Chick Island is that (as you put it here) "there must also be something memorably quotable in the article."

    (D) You write, "Nor am I the only one to assert notability is necessary but not sufficient for an article".

    I do not know why you are still talking about this.  Not once did I ever say that you don't assert notability is necessary but not sufficient.  All I ever said was that you never argued against the principle that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote, which has nothing to do with the point you're currently stressing.

    (E) You write, Denying the fact that others have expressed and supported a position that you oppose is not a valid or honest form of argument."

    I agree, but, to be fair, I've never seen you argue that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are not ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote.  Had I ever seen you say, I would definitely not have written what I wrote.

    And, to be fair, I still have never seen you argue against the principle that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote.  The only indication I have seen that you ever argued against this principle is when you wrote, "this is flatly false."  Those four words, and only those four words, provide any indication that you somewhere, at some time, argued against this principle.

    In any event, because I now know that what I wrote in number three is false, I shall amend it.  I shall make my amendment in red so that readers can clearly discern what I am removing from my argument and what I am adding in its place.  Hopefully, this act helps mend any issues I may have accidentally caused by incorrectly asserting that you had not argued against that principle.

    Respectfully,
    allixpeeke (talk) 00:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

  • You wrote "enough to appear on Wikiquote", "enough to have articles on Wikiquote", and similar phrases. I have consistently taken the position that it is not enough. You are free to disagree with my position, but not to misrepresent it. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • (A) Up until now, I have seen you argue that two factors ((1) notability and (2) presence of quotable quotes) are required, in your opinion, for an article to exist on Wikiquote.  I have also seen you argue against keeping Chick Island on the grounds that its quotes aren't very quotable, although I have not seen you argue against it on the grounds that it is not notable.  Therefore, I currently assume you are of the opinion that Chick Island satisfies your notability requirement but fails to satisfy your quotability requirement.  If this assumption is incorrect, please correct me, because I honestly do not intend to misrepresent your position.

    (B) Up until yesterday, when I read the words "this is flatly false," I had seen no indication that you disagreed with the principle that topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote.  Therefore, up until yesterday, I assumed you were of the opinion that the first factor ((1) notability) could be established, in your opinion, by the presence of a correlating Wikipedia article, but that meeting the notability requirement was not enough in order to have a page on Wikiquote, that the topic had to also conform with the second factor ((2) presence of quotable quotes).

    As of yesterday, I came to realise that this is not the case.  It still appears that you believe these same two factors ((1) notability and (2) presence of quotable quotes) are required, in your opinion, for a page to exist; but now it no longer seems that you believe the first factor is ipso facto satisfied by the presence of a correlating Wikipedia article.  Therefore, I currently assume you are of the opinion that although Chick Island fails to satisfy your quotability requirement, it does at least satisfies your notability requirement, but not simply because there is also correlating Wikipedia article.

    If this assumption is correct, I must admit to being curious as to what it is about the topic of Chick Island, besides the correlating Wikipedia article, that makes pass the first of the two requirements ((1) notability).  Contrariwise, if I am incorrect to assume this, please correct me, because I honestly do not intend to misrepresent your position.

    (C) Today, you write, "You wrote 'enough to appear on Wikiquote', 'enough to have articles on Wikiquote", and similar phrases."

    You're unintentionally taking my comment ever-so-slightly out of context.  In each instance where I've used the word "enough" (save for instances where I am quoting someone or something else), the word notable appears directly before it.  This is important because there are two separate factors to consider, (1) being notable enough to have a page (i.e., notability) and (2) being quotable enough to have a page (i.e., presence of quotable quotes).  This is important because, at no point have I ever said that you think the quotes contained in Chick Island are "quotable enough."  While I still assume you believe the topic of Chick Island is notable enough to have an page on Wikiquote, I readily admit (and have readily admitted from the get-go) that you don't believe the quotes contained in Chick Island are "quotable enough" to maintain said page.

    In other words, at no point have I ever said that you think that Chick Island satisfies your second factor ((2) presence of quotable quotes).  While I still assume that Chick Island satisfies your first factor ((1) notability), I readily admit (and have readily admitted from the get-go) that you don't believe it satisfies your second factor ((2) presence of quotable quotes).

    So, let's see what you wrote today, inserting the word "notable" into the statement in order to ensure that you are quoting me correctly.  You write, "You wrote 'notable enough to appear on Wikiquote', 'notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote', and similar phrases.  I have consistently taken the position that it is not enough."

    Let's be very clear that, now, we're not talking about quotability at all.  Now, we're talking solely about notability.  Allow me to paraphrase what you are saying here:  "I have consistently taken the position that it is not enough for a topic to have a page on Wikipedia to establish whether it is notable enough to have a page on Wikiquote.  Even a topic is notable enough to have its own Wikipedia page, it may still not be notable enough to have its own page on Wikiquote, even if said topic has quotable-enough quotes to have its own Wikiquote page.  There are subfactors needed to establish notability, and presence of a correlating Wikipedia page is not enough."  (I hope this is a faithful paraphrase of what you are saying.  If it is not, please correct me, because I honestly do not intend to misrepresent your position.)

    If you have actually consistently taken this position, then my apologies, for I have never seen you take this position before (except when you wrote the four words, "this is flatly false").  I have seen you consistently take the position that two factors ((1) notability and (2) presence of quotable quotes) are required, in your opinion, for an article to exist on Wikiquote, but I've never seen you make any argument regarding the subfactors required to establish the first factor ((1) notability).  This leads me to my question:

    Question—What subfactors have you argued are required in order to establish notability.  (For example, if the presence of a correlating Wikipedia article is "not enough," then your notability subfactors would be (1a) presence of a correlating Wikipedia article and (1b) something else. What is that "something else"?)

    Answering this question will be very helpful to me.  It appears to me now that you believe the following is required in order to have a page on Wikiquote: (1a) presence of a correlating Wikipedia article, (1b) something else, and (2) presence of quotable quotes.

    (D) While I know I've said this already, it bears repeating that I hope you believe me that I have no desire to intentionally misrepresent your position on any topic.  If anything I've written here does not accurately reflect your position, please let me know so that I may correct myself.  I would honestly rather see Chick Island deleted than for you to believe that I ever misrepresented your position intentionally.

    Sincerely,
    allixpeeke (talk) 02:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

  • I am going to provide a lengthier response here, because there appears to be a great deal of confusion.
  1. "Notable enough" –
    • The phrase "notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia" is a perfectly straightforward way to refer to Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, which says a topic is presumed to merit an article if the topic is notable (and is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy). Wikipedia's purpose is to present encyclopedic information and, because notability indicates such information is available and well covered elsewhere, notability is enough to have an article on Wikipedia.
    • The phrase "notable enough to have an article on Wikiquote" might appear to assert the same thing about Wikiquote, that a topic is presumed to merit an article if the topic is notable. In context there is no ambiguity: it plainly asserts notability is enough to have an article on Wikiquote. Specifically:
    • Combining these statements in a parallel construction, repeating "topics that are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia are ipso facto notable enough to have articles on Wikiquote" over and over, is completely clear and unambiguous: you are claiming that a topic which is "notable" in the Wikipedia sense is presumed to merit an article at Wikiquote. There is no point arguing the semantics of half the parallel construction in isolation: this parallel is the core of your argument.
    • When you state that I have never argued against this principle, this is flatly false.
  2. Argumentum e silentio – It is a logical fallacy to infer or assume that because I have not discussed whether or not the topic is notable then I must therefore believe Chick Island to be notable. The number of things I have not discussed is literally infinite, and there is little that can legitimately be inferred about them on that basis. It would be more accurate, based on the totality of my remarks above, to conclude that I believe if there is nothing quotable in the article, as stated in my nominating statement and !vote above, then nothing else matters. It is fundamental.
  3. What is Wikiquote?
    • The most fundamental thing that can be said about Wikiquote's content is that it is a collection of notable quotations. Everything else in our policies, guidelines, and customs exists to support that purpose. Grouping related notable quotations together on a page by author or subject or other criteria is a matter of convenience. It is a Good Thing™ in many ways. Picking a heading to group notable quotations together that is itself a notable subject is just good sense. Creating a page to group some notable quotations together without having any notable quotations to put in the group is just not sensible. The content of the nominated page is fundamentally inappropriate for Wikiquote: the quotes not belong in any Wikiquote article.
    • When you say "we're not talking about quotability at all", you are simply refusing to address the reason for deleting this article. If you believe deletion of this article is not about quotability at all then I think you misunderstand the fundamental purpose of Wikiquote. You can stop asking me whether I think Chick Island is notable, or what is required in order to establish its notability. It is a red herring, and I have specifically said it would not be sufficient to justify keeping these quotes.
I hope this clarifies my reading of what you have said and inferred about me, and illuminates my position on what is the fundamental issue in this case. ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Delete, due to a lack of notability or quotability of the quotes. We are not here to collect every word uttered about every subject, but rather to collect notable quotes on notable subjects. It is more the aim of an encyclopedia (like WP) to be all inclusive of all topics. But WQ has always been more narrowly focused. And to address one of the comments written above, I do not believe that when a page is nominated for deletion that it is the responsibility of the nominator to fix problems on that page. It should not be the responsibility of someone who identifies that there is a lack of notable quotes on a page to then go out and find any notable quotes. And just because a page is deleted is no reason why someone couldn't recreate it should they find notable quotes. I find that we have too many such pages that really fail the notability standards we should embrace (e.g. many of the pages in Category:Chemistry, where there are quotes taken from textbooks without a shred of quotability) that should probably also be deleted. I also want to say that just because a topic has a page on WP is not reason enough to have a page here - it is more a minimum requirement, not the only requirement. The standards for inclusion in an encyclopedia are much lower than those for inclusion in a collection of notable quotes such as ours. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
    UDScott's last point is important. Allixpeeke, I feel you are trying too hard to make Wikiquote mirror Wikipedia. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Template:Quotability

This is not a useful maintenance template and maintenance category. Inappropriate content such as material lacking Wikiquote:Quotability should simply be removed. If none would remain on the page then the appropriate templates to use are {{prod}} or {{vfd-new}} — Ningauble (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Vote closes: 19:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Keep for the following reasons:
  1. If the problem with a given page is that the quotes aren't quotable enough, then the solution shouldn't be to delete the page, but to improve the page by finding quotes that are even more quotable.  Adding a {{Quotability}} notice in a given page will help direct editors to help improve it.
  2. As an inclusionist (as well as an eventualist), I find it dismaying to see pages deleted instead of being improved.  If and when more-quotable quotes exist than what appears in a given Wikiquote page, the solution should always be to find these more-quotable quotes and add them to the page, not to delete topics altogether.  This template helps to facilitate such improvements.  (Contrariwise, if one wishes to argue that a given page can't get any better, then that's not a reason for deleting the page, but rather for keeping it.)
allixpeeke (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Allixpeeke, I'm not sure I understand the rationale espoused in your second point above - If, as you have described it, a page can't get any better and yet also does not contain anything quotable, why would we want to keep it? The point of this site is to collect quotes that are quotable, not try to have a page for every topic under the sun. And if it does not appear that there will ever be anything quotable to list on a page, why not delete it? ~ UDScott (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Response:  My philosophy has been that each page should contain the most quotable quotes that exist about its topic.  Naturally, some topics will have quotes pertaining to them that are more quotable than the most quotable quotes that may pertain to another topic.  For example, Jerry Maguire has "Show me the money!", "You complete me", and "You had me at hello"—all extremely memorable quotes.  If we compare the quotes in Jerry Maguire to the quotes in Freaky Friday (2003), obviously virtually everyone would agree that Jerry Maguire has the more quotable quotes—and yet that would be no justification to delete Freaky Friday.  And Freaky Friday's probably has quotes that are more quotable than some other movie here, but that's no justification to delete said other movie, either.  This is why my approach has always been to try to find the most quotable quotes about whatever the topic at hand is, rather than comparing quotes between topics.  If someone thinks the quotes in the Freaky Friday page aren't the most quotable Freaky Friday quotes out there, then the reasonable thing to do is to edit Freaky Friday in order to incorporate said more-quotable quotes (or, if she/he does not have the time, add the {{Quotability}} notice to Freaky Friday).  But if someone argues that Freaky Friday should be deleted on the grounds that none of its quotes are as quotable as Jerry Maguire's quotes, that's where I will object.  allixpeeke (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Aside:  Tom Cruise's rendition of "show me the money" was quite memorable, and greatly popularized the phrase at the end of the 20th century, but it is not exactly original. Usage in exactly the same sense may be found at least as early as the beginning of the 20th century,[4] and it was familiar in business circles for many years before exploding into pop culture. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)