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Votes for deletion is the process where the community discusses whether a page should be deleted or not, depending on the consensus of the discussion.

Please read and understand the Wikiquote deletion policy before editing this page.

  • Explain your reasoning for every page you list here, even if you think it is obvious.
  • Always be sure to sign your entry or vote, or it will not be counted.

The process

Requesting deletions

To list a single article for deletion for the first time, follow this three-step process:

I: Put the deletion tag on the article.
Insert the {{vfd-new}} tag at the top of the page.
  • Please do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use the edit summary to indicate the nomination; this can be as simple as "VFD".
  • You can check the "Watch this page" box to follow the page in your watchlist. This allows you to notice if the VfD tag is removed by a vandal.
  • Save the page.
II: Create the article's deletion discussion page.
Click the link saying "this article's entry" to open the deletion-debate page.
  • Copy the following: {{subst:vfd-new2|pg=PAGENAME|text=REASONING — ~~~~}}. Replace PAGENAME with the name of the page you're nominating, and REASONING with an explanation of why you think the page should be deleted. Note that the signature/timestamp characters (~~~~) are placed inside the braces {{ }}, not outside as with standard posts.
  • Explanations are important when nominating a page for deletion. While it may be obvious to you why a page should be deleted, not everyone will understand and you should provide a clear but concise explanation. Please remember to sign your comment by putting ~~~~ at the end.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Save the page.
III: Notify users who monitor VfD discussion.
Copy the tag below, and then click  THIS LINK  to open the deletion log page. At the bottom of the log page, insert:

replacing PAGENAME appropriately.

  • Please include the name of the nominated page in the edit summary.
  • Save the page. Your insertion will be automatically expanded to the same form as the preceding lines in the file: {{Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/PAGENAME}}.
  • Consider also adding {{subst:VFDNote|PAGENAME}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the article's principal contributor(s).

Note: Suggestions for requesting deletion of multiple pages, non-article pages, and repeat nominations may be found at VFD tips.

Voting on deletions

Once listed, the entire Wikiquote community is invited to vote on whether to keep or delete each page, or take some other action on it. Many candidate articles will have specific dates by which to vote; if none is given, you can assume at least seven days after the article is listed before the votes are tallied.

To vote, jump or scroll down to the entry you wish to vote on, click its "edit" link, and add your vote to the end of the list, like one of these:

  • Keep. ~~~~
  • Delete. ~~~~
  • (other actions; explain) ~~~~
  • Comment (not including action) ~~~~

Possible other actions include Merge, Rename, Redirect, Move to (sister project). Please be clear and concise when describing your action.

The four tildes (~~~~) will automatically add your user ID and a timestamp to your vote. This is necessary to ensure each Wikiquotian gets only a single vote. You can add some comments to your vote (before the tildes) to explain your reasons, but it is not required. However, it may help others to decide which way to vote.

Please do not add a vote after the closing date and time; any late vote may be struck out and ignored by the closing admin.

NOTE: Although we use the term "vote", VfD is not specifically a democratic process, as we have no way of verifying "one person, one vote". It is designed to "take the temperature" of the community on a subject. Sysops have the responsibility of judging the results based on a variety of factors, including (besides the votes) policies, practices, precedents, arguments, compromises between conflicting positions, and seriousness of the participants.

Closing votes and deleting articles

Sysops have the responsibility to review the list and determine what articles have achieved a consensus, whether it is for deletion, preservation, or some other action. All candidate articles should be listed here at least seven days before the votes are tallied. Many VfD entries will have "Vote closes" notices to indicate when the votes will be tallied.

  • The sysop tallying the vote should add a "vote closed" header with the result of the vote, and sign it.
  • If consensus is for deletion, the sysop should follow the deletion process to delete the article.
  • If it is to keep, or if there is no consensus for action, the sysop should remove the {{vfd-new}} tag from the article and post a notice on the article's talk page about the completed VfD, including a link to the VfD discussion on that article. The {{vfd-kept-new}} template can be used for a standard notice.
  • There may also be a vote to move (rename) or otherwise change the article. The sysop's actions will depend on the specific situation in these cases. In those cases, a notice should also be posted on the talk page documenting the decision.

To avoid conflict of interest, a sysop should never close a VfD that he or she started. However, a sysop may close a VfD in which he or she has voted.

After a reasonable time, a sysop will then move the entire entry into the appropriate month page of the VfD log. (Some old discussions are available only in the old Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive.)

Note: In the interest of cross-wiki cooperation, please check Wikipedia to make sure their articles don't link back to an article that has just been deleted. Also de-link any other language edition articles.

Reviewing closed votes

All closed votes will be archived indefinitely in per-month pages at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Log. (A few are still found only in the old Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive.) See that page for details.

Deletion candidates

SoulEaterFan articles

Vote closes: 16:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Delete both: Agree generally with proposer and note contributors of these articles do not typicall engage constructively with the community. Utlimately per sitelinking these is are poor grade unveriable duplicate of the Soul Eater (manga) subject. -- DeirgeDel tac 17:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete, per above. Markjoseph125 (talk) 19:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: The nominator has made this change to the nomination and that is a practice I really dislike especially after !votes have been cast or comments made unless necessary to correct minor grammar error or to correct a serious error where the change should probably be made obvious by strikethrough. In my view the changes should been added on as an additional comment but in this case its probably better to leave as is in my opinion. -- DeirgeDel tac 23:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: SoulEaterFan is back with a vengeance, and has spammed two different articles (Fictional last words in animated television series and Regular Show (season 4)). The edits are similar to the (various) other IP addresses that have spammed the former article with the same fake Gumball quote. Furthermore, on the edit histories of both articles, they are begging to not be deemed as SoulEaterFan, in spite of all the edits they have done. I bring this up because this user is seriously making me mad, and this constant Gumball spam needs to stop. 03isrflo62410 (talk) 00:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: @03isrflo62410:: The Vfd-new notices has not been correctly applied to these articles and they are not pointing to this discussion. I might try to resolve later. There's also an issue with these apparently having become de-sitelinked from wikidata. -- DeirgeDel tac 06:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've fixed {{Vfd-new}} here & here. Anyone spotting this with any sense would have checked WQ:VFD and found it there or raised an issue elsewhere or simply fixed it so there is probably no need to extend this for a further 7 days, especially as there is always DRV for anyone who feels aggrieved. -- DeirgeDel tac 07:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Additional comment: I received word from Lemonaka that this "SoulEaterFan" user in question is actually Nate Speed, [user with a notorious track record outside of Wikipedia.] Essentially, leaving these two articles up will (probably) allow Nate to continue spamming pages with the constant Soul Eater nonsense. 03isrflo62410 (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No Wikipedia article. No quotes by him. — Markjoseph125 (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vote closes: 20:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC). Markjoseph125 (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete as nominator. Markjoseph125 (talk) 20:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete due to a lack of quotes and a Wikipedia article. 03isrflo62410 (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete If he holds a named chair at BU, he is eligible for a Wikipedia article per NAcademic. But the only remotely quotable quote here is the ungrammatical "Make sure the person whom you think wronged you is the person who wronged you." Not really enough for an article, IMO. HouseOfChange (talk) 00:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep: There are quotes by him. and There are many wikiquote articles without wikipedia articles, so "No Wikipedia article" is not a good argument. Y-S.Ko (talk) 06:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Actually, "no Wikipedia article" is one of the main reasons to delete a Wikiquote page for non-notability; the few Wikiquote pages I've created for people who didn't have Wikipedia articles have been uniformly questioned by the powers that be. Markjoseph125 (talk) 21:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weak keep: I'm pretty borderline on this. I think Y-S.Ko has done just about enough to save it. As fair as I can tell there's shedload of professors at BU so that wouldn't save him. His Estonian Wikipedia article (why ET I ask myself?) automatically provides a wikidata item, as would the VIAF article. There's a good spread of references. -- DeirgeDel tac 10:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lack of referencing and no associated English Wikipedia article on a claimed controversial book. The link to the author on the English Wikipedia does not exist. This leaves us with the issue the creator can place or even platform their own unverifiable commentary and select and bolden the quotes they choose on a controversial subject. Wikiquote welcomes all views but there are concerns if a contributor may be using Wikiquote to promote their viewpoint. — DeirgeDel tac 22:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vote closes: 23:00, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Keep. The book does have an associated Wikipedia page: The Talmud Unmasked. Many of the quotes are verifiably authentic and can be sourced with links to At the present time, though, the page employs a nonstandard quoting style and is in need of cleanup. I would therefore add a cleanup tag, convert the page to standard quoting style, and where possible add links for sourceable quotes. Update: It is to be noted that the book contains factual inaccuracies (see below). – BurningLibrary
  • Delete The book itself is noted for being a misleading misrepresentation of the Talmud. It is problematic for Wikiquote to showcase, as if they were real translations from the Talmud, a mistranslated collection cherry-picked by the book's author for antisemitic purposes. HouseOfChange (talk) 13:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    "It is problematic for Wikiquote to showcase …" It sets a bad precedent if one cannot quote from certain works because someone deems them to be "problematic" or "offensive". History is full of offensive truths, and censorship is not the way to deal with that. One cannot construct a category of "problematic" works which are not to be quoted from without turning Wikiquote into a censorious zone. That outcome is so disastrously bad that we should do everything in our power to avoid it. Better, then, to permit this book to be quoted from in some capacity, than to attempt to airbrush it out of history. As for the issue of potential mistranslation, this can be dealt with by cross-referencing the quotes with the William Davidson translation, which is available for free on – BurningLibrary
My objecgtion is not to offensive material but to having wikivoice misrepresent this particular material as a "translation" of the Talmud. HouseOfChange (talk) 06:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, how the material is presented is a matter of how the description is worded, of course. That description can be edited to better represent the work for what it is. Update: See also my reply to below.
However, while the word "mistranslation" has been used a number of times in this discussion, I am not quite sure what is really meant by it here. Take, for example, Pranaitis' translation of Keritot 6b:19–20 (p. 49):
"The teaching of the Rabbis is: He who pours oil over a Goi, and over dead bodies is freed from punishment. This is true for an animal because it is not a man. But how can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goi one is freed from punishment, since a Goi is also a man? But this is not true, for it is written: Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men (Ezechiel, XXXIV, 31). You are thus called men, but the Goim are not called men."
For comparison, here is the William Davidson translation of Keritot 6b:19–20:
"But if one applies anointing oil to gentiles why is he exempt? Aren't they included in the meaning of the term person [adam]? The Gemara explains: Indeed they are not. As it is written: 'And you My sheep, the sheep of My pasture, are people [adam]' (Ezekiel 34:31), from which it is derived that you, the Jewish people, are called adam, but gentiles are not called adam."
What, exactly, is being mistranslated here? Isn't the same essential message conveyed by both Pranaitis and Davidson?
For context, the William Davidson translation is available in its entirety from, which is a Jewish non-profit organization dedicated to making Jewish knowledge available for everyone. If it is granted that the William Davidson translation is an accurate rendition of Keritot 6b:19–20, can't we just leave it at that? Why speak of "mistranslation" at all if this is what the Talmud really says? We should, at the very least, be able to agree upon the verifiable facts of the matter. – BurningLibrary
  • Keep: Now that the key issues are addressed and the lead section can be verified against the vetted linked :enWP article. While I do sometimes help out less experienced editors it is my view that experienced editors should do this themselves especially for anything that may be contentious. Thankyou. DeirgeDel tac 00:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. I am not familiar with the book, but it seems to be a compendium of quotes, a selection of quotes from the Talmud. Why should we write articles consisting of selected quotes from a book that already consists of selected quotes from the Talmud? If there are verfiable, notable and quotable quotes they could be added to Talmud with a reliable translation. And if a mistranslation should be notable, they could be added to the Misattributed or Mistranslated section. Our article "Wikiquote" also does not consist of selected quotes from various Wikiquote articles, but of quotes about Wikiquote. I will change my vote to keep if quotes about the book are added. -- (talk) 13:20, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This is a good point. The book can be judged notable because it has an article. However in this sort of example I personally suspect it would perhaps usually be used is to select quotes from the original work. Of course in this case that selection would probably be a biased collection. Thankyou. -- DeirgeDel tac 15:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    For what it's worth, the entire book is available in PDF format from the Internet Archive. This might be of help in deciding upon best practices for quoting from works like this. – BurningLibrary
    @BurningLibrary:: I give up. I've been looking high and low for it there and have kept missing it - albeit its not registered on openlibrary and I might not have done an internet library search. I actually had switched focus looking at/for copies/editions of the Talmud itself! Great find. I really like to arrogantly think that I'm usually very good and finding sources and its good to be taken down a peg or two. I really impressed how some who edit on ancient religious quotes have responded and contributed on this VfD! -- DeirgeDel tac 00:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You are welcome. I have added a link to the Internet Archive on the Wikiquote page and on the Wikipedia page. – BurningLibrary
    @: "I will change my vote to keep if quotes about the book are added." I have added a "Quotes about …" section and added a quote from an entry in Antisemitism: A Historical Encyclopedia of Prejudice and Persecution, Volume 1. This might help address concerns raised by another participant in this discussion about how the work is presented. The "Notes" section of the Wikipedia article provides some references which might be relevant here, but sadly, all of them are unquoted. Update: I have added a brief quotation from Antisemitism to the Wikipedia article as well. – BurningLibrary
    Keep Article has improved from earlier version and includes an about section. -- (talk) 13:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete for reasons given by others. Markjoseph125 (talk) 00:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. Here follows a brief summary of changes made to the page as they pertain to concerns raised by participants in this discussion. In its current version, the page does not quote from the Talmud at all; instead, it quotes Pranaitis' commentary on it and related texts. Quotes that only quote from the Talmud have been moved to the talk page, with the suggestion that such quotes should only be included if they also contain some of Pranaitis' own perspective. – BurningLibrary
  • Comment. I have established that the book contains factual inaccuracies. On page 82 of the E. N. S. edition, Pranaitis attributes to the Avodah Zarah tractate a phrase that occurs in the Soferim tractate. I have commented upon this inaccuracy in the description section of the page, as well as in the quotes section.
Another participant in this discussion, HouseOfChange, has expressed concern that the book misrepresents the subject matter. This point is now strengthened. While I still think the page should be kept, I think the main focus of the page should be to point out inaccuracies and warn against using the book as a source for anything other than itself.
I found two quotes from the book on the Talmud page, and have moved them to the The Talmud Unmasked page with the justification that the book contains errors. This justification is easier to make when the errors are documented somewhere. This may be counted as a reason for keeping the page.
My recommendation would be that the book is subjected to the same "containment policy" as Henry Ford's book, i.e., that all quotes from the book are collected on a single page and that the book is not quoted from on other pages. Possibly, a template could be created for such cases. In the final analysis, while the book does have some historical significance, it is not a good source. BurningLibrary (talk) 16:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Suggestion. I think the best approach would be to create a page for Justinas Pranaitis and make a subsection for The Talmud Unmasked on that page, with The Talmud Unmasked redirecting to the subsection. This would make it possible to provide further context in the form of quotes about and of Pranaitis, including this remarkable exchange from the Beilis trial:
Q: What is the meaning of the word Hullin [animals permissible as food]?
Pranaitis: I don't know.
Q: What is the meaning of the word Erubin [Sabbath walking limits]?
Pranaitis: I don't know.
Q: What is the meaning of the word Yebamot [family relationships]?
Pranaitis: I don't know.
Q: When did Baba Batra [a tractate of the Talmud] live and what was her activity?
Pranaitis: I don't know.
I think this speaks volumes. BurningLibrary (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is a very good idea from BurningLibrary (talk · contributions). The idiosyncratic translations and the point-y selection of passages result in a work that has more to do with Panaitis than with the Talmud itself. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very well. I have created the page Justinas Pranaitis and added quotes from The Talmud Unmasked and the Beilis trial. I have also added a merge template to The Talmud Unmasked. The merge can be carried out by creating a redirect from The Talmud Unmasked to Justinas Pranaitis#The Talmud Unmasked (1892). BurningLibrary (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Update. I have carried out the proposed merge. The The Talmud Unmasked page is now a redirect to Justinas Pranaitis#The Talmud Unmasked (1892). BurningLibrary (talk) 18:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To whom it may concern: the Wikipedia page Justinas Pranaitis now contains, in its "External links" section, a link to the Wikiquote page Justinas Pranaitis. BurningLibrary (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Contested PROD for unreferenced with no reason. The contestation links to a notable voiceover artist but there is no linked article on the English Wikipeida. No indicators of notability of subject. — DeirgeDel tac 03:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vote closes: 04:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC).

  • Delete: (nominator). -- DeirgeDel tac 03:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete for lack of memorable quotes. NOTE: I'm not sure I understand the reasons cited in the nomination though - there is a page for this show on Wikipedia and the listed quotes are referenced by episode. I am not disputing the notability of the show, but am voting due to the lack of quality in the quotes. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep per HEY after cleanup. The en-wiki article is start-class, not a stub. The show ran from 2012-2022 and won a Daytime Emmy in 2019.[1] HouseOfChange (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete for lack of quotability. Markjoseph125 (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unreliably sourced, questionable notability. None of the quotes listed are backed up by the sources. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 22:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. People who want a Wikiquote page put up should do a better job to make it look professional. Markjoseph125 (talk) 15:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Non-notable person without a Wikipedia page, all of the quotes are either just Twitter posts with no indication of significance, or from a YouTube video. — Ser! (talk) 20:00, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vote closes: 21:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)