User talk:Kalki/2013

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Sourced quotes?[edit]

hi Kalki where can i find sourced quotes? Thank you. --7exkd (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

You know where like a website or google books or something? Thanx. --7exkd (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
"Sourced quotes" is a term used in relation to quotes which are provided with information as to what sources they are taken from, whether published literature or other recordings of some kind, such as albums or films. ~ Kalki·· 12:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Spiritual intelligence[edit]

My apology for not noticing you already added the article to the Template:New pages. Also, if you have any suggestions especially about recent quotes about this topic, please let me know. -- Mdd (talk) 16:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

There is no need to apologize about not noticing the redundancy — there is often much we must miss, as we go about our various tasks in life, and your contributions in recent months are well appreciated. I might add something to the page in coming weeks, but have many other things to attend to as well. Thank you for your contributions. ~ Kalki·· 20:47, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment, it's all challenging work in progress. I have extracted some quotes from the contemporary scientific discourse to balanced the article. Still further input will be much appreciated. -- Mdd (talk) 01:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

No need for negativity.[edit]

"Nothing Is As Simple As Black And White" within or beyond Pleasantville

Really, is an edit summary like this necessary? I think you could have made your point in much more positive language. Cheers! BD2412 T 02:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, making a pattern of this[1][2][3][4] is not the recommended approach for addressing the issue. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm nearly always very positive about telling the truth as effectively as I can, and making positive efforts at opposing hypocrisy, cant and routine condemnation of honesty as pragmatically as I can. People can project their own opinions and inclinations about that and other things in various obvious or oblivious ways and see an excess of negativity in that whenever they are inclined to. Reality and the truths of it remain beyond all reproach, to those who are genuinely wise. It is what it is.
As a generally quite honest and happy absurdist, generally able to laugh at human folly at least a bit more than I weep at it, and to thus transcend what inclinations I have to anger at such injustices as many are addicted to creating, promoting and protecting, I truly hope everyone is on a path to greater happiness and discernment of Wisdom in their lives, and I do not wish anyone to remain miserable or deluded in any unnecessary way. With Peace of Mind at having indicated some true aspects of Reality, about as well as I presently can, while restraining my own capacities for exposition to a very great degree, circumstances being what they are, I send my BLESSINGS TO ALL. So IT goes… Yyjpg.svg Answer to Life.png Caput mortuum.svg Dont panic.svg Anonymous.svg Smiley.svg TARDIS-trans.pngSwirlyclock.png Sahasrara.svg ~ Kalki·· 07:01, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

Kalki, I noticed when you were tweaking the Network page that you changed my <p>'s to <br>'s. Is there a specific reason for this? I kind of like the look of the larger break between "paragraphs" or breaks in speech, but ultimately I am not so entrenched with one way that I would fight going with the other. Do you just have a stylistic preference for the smaller breaks? Or is there a more technical reason of which I am not aware? Just wondering. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 21:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

There is no technical reason, my preferences are simply different: I believe the "br" breaks indicate the unity of the quote better than the "p" breaks do. ~ Kalki·· 21:17, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Kalki, I never thanked you for your kind comments on the Baruch Spinoza and Socrates articles, and for all of the fine and spirited work that you do for Wikiquote community. Thank you.

ELApro (talk) 22:05, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the appreciation of my work, and I am always pleased when people add valuable material from the great philosophers of the ages, and sometimes moved to make direct note of it. ~ Kalki·· 10:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

Hi Kalki, I feel that I owe you an explanation, so I just wanted to let you know that in my last few edits to the Bertrand Russell page, besides moving most of the content of "Unpopular Essays" to a page of its own (following the new formatting trend), I also slightly trimmed the text "What Desires Are Politically Important", to which apparently you were the main contributor. The chief reasons for this were 1) that the section was unproportionally large and 2) to avoid copyvio. In any case I hope you are not put off by my actions. After all, I highly admire all your work here. Best regards, Daniel Tomé (talk) 23:15, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I reviewed the mentioned edits, and although I tend to be less inclined to exclusions than most, I have no major objections to them, as they seem to have been responsibly done with a broad consideration of many factors. If I were to wish any eventually restored it would be the following 4, which were severely cut or excluded in one of the edits I reviewed, but I have no particular sense of urgency or need to see them restored immediately:
  • The politician may change sides so frequently as to find himself always in the majority, but most politicians have a preference for one party to the other, and subordinate their love of power to this preference.
  • We love those who hate our enemies, and if we had no enemies there would be very few people whom we should love.
    All this, however, is only true so long as we are concerned solely with attitudes towards other human beings.
    You might regard the soil as your enemy because it yields reluctantly a niggardly subsistence. You might regard Mother Nature in general as your enemy, and envisage human life as a struggle to get the better of Mother Nature. If men viewed life in this way, cooperation of the whole human race would become easy. And men could easily be brought to view life in this way if schools, newspapers, and politicians devoted themselves to this end. But schools are out to teach patriotism; newspapers are out to stir up excitement; and politicians are out to get re-elected. None of the three, therefore, can do anything towards saving the human race from reciprocal suicide.
  • Killing an enemy in a modern war is a very expensive operation. If you consider how many Germans were killed in the late war, and how much the victors are paying in income tax, you can, by a sum in long division, discover the cost of a dead German, and you will find it considerable. In the East, it is true, the enemies of the Germans have secured the ancient advantages of turning out the defeated population and occupying their lands. The Western victors, however, have secured no such advantages. It is obvious that modern war is not good business from a financial point of view. Although we won both the world wars, we should now be much richer if they had not occured. If men were actuated by self-interest, which they are not — except in the case of a few saints — the whole human race would cooperate. There would be no more wars, no more armies, no more navies, no more atom bombs. There would not be armies of propagandists employed in poisoning the minds of Nation A against Nation B, and reciprocally of Nation B against Nation A. There would not be armies of officials at frontiers to prevent the entry of foreign books and foreign ideas, however excellent in themselves. There would not be customs barriers to ensure the existence of many small enterprises where one big enterprise would be more economic. All this would happen very quickly if men desired their own happiness as ardently as they desired the misery of their neighbors. But, you will tell me, what is the use of these utopian dreams? Moralists will see to it that we do not become wholly selfish, and until we do the millennium will be impossible.
  • I do not wish to seem to end upon a note of cynicism. I do not deny that there are better things than selfishness, and that some people achieve these things. I maintain, however, on the one hand, that there are few occasions upon which large bodies of men, such as politics is concerned with, can rise above selfishness, while, on the other hand, there are a very great many circumstances in which populations will fall below selfishness, if selfishness is interpreted as enlightened self-interest.
    And among those occasions on which people fall below self-interest are most of the occasions on which they are convinced that they are acting from idealistic motives. Much that passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power. When you see large masses of men swayed by what appear to be noble motives, it is as well to look below the surface and ask yourself what it is that makes these motives effective. It is partly because it is so easy to be taken in by a facade of nobility that a psychological inquiry, such as I have been attempting, is worth making. I would say, in conclusion, that if what I have said is right, the main thing needed to make the world happy is intelligence. And this, after all, is an optimistic conclusion, because intelligence is a thing that can be fostered by known methods of education.
Overall your edits are acceptable to me, and I appreciate your considerable attention to many articles lately. All is ultimately for the best, as the best might be inclined to say. Joys abide. ~ Kalki·· 04:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
Thanks for your gracious reply. Unfortunately, it's already past 5 AM here and I really need to sleep, but I promise to restore those quotes tomorrow. Yours, Daniel Tomé (talk) 05:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
There is no need to promise anything. If upon consideration, you are not inclined to restore them so fully as I suggested, I was sincere in asserting your edits were acceptable to me. ~ Kalki·· 05:10, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Technology[edit]

Hi Kalki, could you enlighten me: You seem to have moved out multiple quotes here, but they don't seem to have found their way back to the article. Am I missing something? -- Mdd (talk) 13:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I was doing some further sourcing and extension of the quotes, and dealing with a slight edit conflict — they are now placed in the article. ~ Kalki·· 13:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Ok thanks, sorry for my impatience. -- Mdd (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

René Guénon[edit]

Sorry for the colliding edits on this page - I think we both started to clean it up at the same time. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Nothing to worry about — it is good that there is more activity going on here lately, and with that comes the occasional edit conflict. ~ Kalki·· 17:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

QOTD question[edit]

Hi Kalki. I just mentioned you in a comment, asking for your assessment, since I value your opinion the highest when it comes to QOTD. (We're probably not supposed to discuss the matter at the Archives page, though). Thanks and sorry to bother you. ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 19:52, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

On that matter, for aesthetic reasons, I actually prefer letting the QOTD go unsourced on the main page, save when it is from a specific work for which we have developed a page — with the assumption that the source citations can usually be found on the authors page. This is just a quick response, as I was just about to leave when I saw your note, and must be going now. ~ Kalki·· 19:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Increased activity here[edit]

I expect to be here at LEAST a few hours a week for a while — though I remain very busy with other things, I intend to become much more busy here for at least a couple months, as I begin to address many matters of enduring significance, here and elsewhere. Beyond the normal upkeep of QOTD pages, I will probably spend at least a few hours a week adding quotes to pages, creating and developing some theme pages I have long noticed we have lacked, and perhaps attend to adding pages for a few authors and works, as time permits. I will also attempt to do extensive updates to my user pages, which might prove to be useful in any future debates on a few subjects. I intend to very gradually but inexorably provide more information and INDICATION of truths I consider significant about many circumstances on my user pages, including significant truths about myself and events in my life — and when at last I feel enough has been presented in some ways to make MUCH of the most vital parts of the whole of what I know or believe sufficiently understandable to at least some others, I will be willing to more earnestly indicate and present many forms of proof of MUCH of it, and strong evidence of ALL of it. ~ Kalki·· 23:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Just a brief note to say I am back from today's travels, but still busy with many other things, and expect to be in and out of this location for several days, thus I will probably just do some sporadic and intermittent activity here for at least a few days, as time and opportunities permit — I still expect to do at least a bit of work here though, and probably will have a chance to do some for several hours later today. ~ 19:55, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I have been more busy with other things in the last few days than I thought I might be, and probably will again be gone for the major portion of at least a day or two in the next few, but do continue to expect to be far busier on the project in coming weeks than I have been in many months or years. ~ Kalki·· 10:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Groupthink[edit]

Hi Kalki, sorry that I might have got in your way. After removing part of the introduction, I felt kind of obligated to put something back. -- Mdd (talk) 12:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the contributions. I examined what you trimmed from the intro, which was basically the same as Wikipedia's and added back a slight adaptation of only one line which I believe to be an important one: "A sense of loyalty to the group requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking."
There were no major edit conflicts which occured — I am simply pleased that there seem to be more people here who have greater familiarity with some important psychological and sociological concepts about which most people are rather ignorant and confused, which often results in them being fearful and hostile to even mention of them in many contexts. Thanks again for many of your recent contributions. ~ Kalki·· 12:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kalki, the pleasure is mine to work together on topics like this. Now my (unspoken) argument for removing that sentence was, that it describes (just) a particular attribute of group thinking, which could/should be found in the secondary sources. So I agree about the importance, yet I would prefer an alternative execution. -- Mdd (talk) 13:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I still believe it is an important enough point to include in the introduction here, as it is in the Wikipedia intro, even though I have accepted your further trimmings, which I would have preferred to keep, but can agree were not all that important. ~ Kalki·· 13:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't disagree that is important and interesting enough, so I have put it back (as long as there is no alternative). -- Mdd (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
There are always alternatives, not all of them highly desirable, but I am pleased by many of your additions to the page, and I hope to be much busier here in coming weeks as I resume something close to my previous states of activity on the project for at least a while. ~ Kalki·· 14:32, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for restoring the image at page Censorship[edit]

An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. ~ Oscar Wilde

Kalki, I wanted to stop by and say thank you very much for restoring this image that was ironically attempted to be censored from the page Censorship here at Wikiquote. I can gather that you of all people are a champion against censorship and you appreciate this irony.

Though we've had our differences, Kalki, I strongly support your activities in favor of freedom of speech and against censorship, and I thank you for them.

Thanks again,

-- Cirt (talk) 18:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

There are many ironies always at work everywhere, in MANY ways amidst ALL ways, whether people are aware of them or not — and I intend to make that fact far more clear to many in coming months, through many means, here and elsewhere. A profound awareness and appreciation of irony has long permitted me to be BOTH very willing to be forgiving of others — and to fight fiercely against some of the worst actions or abuses of those prone to be UNFORGIVING of proper or natural or understandable DIFFERENCES of others and their opinions and perspectives on MANY things.
I believe that the very wisest of people are usually intensely and sincerely intent on avoiding punishing ANYONE more than is necessary to prevent them from punishing others unjustly and needlessly, and unlike many of those who believe and often have been taught and trained to believe that punishments and rules to promote punishments are NECESSARY, to suppress or eliminate such differences as they believe undesirable, the wise know there are MANY better options that are USUALLY available to those sufficiently aware of them — and often MOST of the differences which can and do exist among people are NOT so undesirable as MANY might suppose on initial rather limited or bigoted assessments.
When people attempt to constrain or limit the options available to anyone — including themselves — in any ways I perceive to be clearly detrimental to vital concerns of the wise or virtuous, and of all Humanity, I will generally and sometimes vigorously openly oppose it, and sometimes subtly do so, often for many reasons and in many ways that long remain mysterious or totally unperceived by others. WHEN the time comes to reveal or at least strongly indicate WHAT some of these are or have been, others are often surprised at many of my profound insights and my ingenuity in presenting them — and sometimes delighted and sometimes appalled, and often BOTH, for reasons often very incidentally or deliberately complex — as human life itself ALWAYS is, whether it is recognized to be so or not.
Though my memory and my necessary reticence to trust others in various ways might be somewhat stronger than those of many, I also believe that I am genuinely charitable and forgive many errors and sins far more easily than most, and in honor of the beauty and virtues of all, I regularly remind myself to bear no one any malice for errors or mistakes of the past, and to make my PRIMARY aims in ANY tasks or actions I engage in involve helping MANY avoid deplorable mistakes in the future, where they disregard or deny, not merely any of my own particular and peculiar forms of perceptions, presentations, protests, potency, and puzzling priorities, but practical and pragmatic concerns of many generally prudent and praise-worthy people, and those Ultimate Principles which ALWAYS guide and direct the wisest of human beings to paths of good humor, grace, charity, forgiveness, and resolute DETERMINATION to BE AWARE and APPRECIATIVE of ALL that they can amidst an eternally complex world — and properly helping others to be similar or different to themselves or others in such ways as they are properly inclined, to the best of their abilities.
I generally and sometimes very specifically counsel caution and constraint when people attempt to devise or develop enduring rules for themselves or others, especially where ANY would seek to imprudently IMPOSE forms of caution or constraint on others in ways quite incautious and unconstrained by PROPER concerns of the worth of their own motivations or means of proceeding, and the general welfare of Humanity. Though I sometimes am willing to seem or be quite comical and even clownish and cartoonish in my methodically meticulous and honest responses to others, and acts of proper focus or misdirection, I am far more often and more extensively willing to be silently observant and considerate of MANY aspects of MANY things of which I rarely speak of at all, UNTIL such times come as I believe I cannot righteously and fairly avoid doing so — and then my ability to be quite succinct and blunt in ways others rarely expect or anticipate can be quite shocking and effective, but rarely do I find myself morally impelled to act in any ways which I believe do more harm to others than good for them, and I generally do what I can to avoid falling into such situations of misfortune, quite ably — also to the surprise of many.
I expect that the months ahead will be rather surprising ones for MANY, here and elsewhere, as more complexities of the world and my own actions and generally good and well intentioned character become more and more apparent, for better and for worse, and may many find their ways towards ever greater health and out of such sickness or dangers of sickness and error as often assail us now, in this age of confusions, collisions and comical or cruel or courageously caring and considerate collusions. To those who perceive in profound ways beyond all deluded and demented notions of demonic and divine conspiracies and destined consequences of each and all to each and all, I send my own forms of appreciations — and BLESSINGS to all. So IT goes… Yyjpg.svg Answer to Life.png Caput mortuum.svg Dont panic.svg Anonymous.svg Smiley.svg TARDIS-trans.pngSwirlyclock.png Sahasrara.svg ~ Kalki·· 10:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
Well, TL;DR, but anyways, thanks again. And thanks for your improvements to the page Censorship and your work supporting Freedom of speech on this project and other sites as well. -- Cirt (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I love to laugh, and I love to learn, and I love to find ways to help other people learn to laugh in more profoundly perceptive and enduring ways than most yet have been blessed to be able to do. Having just arisen from a much needed slumber, you're brief response to my relatively extensive one is something I had to laugh at upon reading a few minutes ago, for many complex reasons. In the space of the short time since, amidst several other tasks and opportunities for relaxation, I have had dozens of ideas on how to use it and such expressions as teaching opportunities, which might eventually permit you and others to laugh at many follies of the past and present, but as my time is also limited, and as I am actually going to be traveling about far more extensively than normal today, and must make many significant preparations in the next few hours, I will simply state that I generally find more reason to be amused than offended by people's actions, attitudes and remarks, and such was the case here. I am sure that some people will be thankful for my relative brevity now as I simply say, there are always and forever MANY things to be thankful for — ALL of the times of our lives, even those of greatest difficulty and distress, and involvement with MANY of the necessary efforts and burdens of life — and with profound awareness and appreciation of that fact, I send Blessing to all. ~ Kalki·· 05:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
I'm glad I was able to bring a smile to your face, -- Cirt (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Groupthink[edit]

Great job on this new page, Groupthink! Another neat one to create might be Loaded language... -- Cirt (talk) 10:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

There are MANY concepts in sociology, psychology, fundamental ethical philosophy and advanced mystical Kenosis, as well as the major arts and sciences, and the history of human development of many of these which I am interested in working on in coming months. I expect to have quite a bit of time and opportunity to do so, though I am discovering that this week I will probably be far busier with other things than I had initially anticipated, and might only have a day or two where I have much time to work on things here. Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 14:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
Okay, sounds good, just an idea for a neat page, Loaded language. Have a great day, -- Cirt (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah, yes, it is a good idea — but I do wish to note that as an absurdist who has been studying semiotics in very advanced ways since I was a young child, I recognize that all language is loaded — and like any loaded gun, no matter who wields it, the most important thing is who or what it is pointed it at — and WHY. Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 15:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I see, well, I think the concept is fascinating particularly as explained by Dr. Robert Lifton in his book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism. -- Cirt (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I find most concepts fascinating, in various ways — and prompted by some of the more glaring deficiencies of which I am aware, I just started a page on Stoicism — an ancient tradition I have been very impressed with since at least the age of 5 or 6, though like many, I have long seen beyond some of the more prominent deficiencies or flaws of some manifestations of it. I will probably be dealing with many complexly related concepts in the weeks to come, and am glad there are more participants in such tasks lately. ~ Kalki·· 17:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah, quite interesting indeed. Another possible new page on an interesting topic would be Cognitive dissonance. -- Cirt (talk) 19:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes. ~ Kalki·· 19:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Wow, shortest Kalki response ever, something weird in the universe must have happened, or perhaps we are in the Star Trek - Mirror, Mirror universe. -- Cirt (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I believe I once gave the response to you of "No" — shorter by one letter — but the quote of the day today does happen to be the statement of fellow absurdist Douglas Adams: "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." This has long been among my favorite remarks by him, as I have long had perspectives willing to entertain such theories, even if I find nearly all theories deficient and flawed in ways most as yet do not. As an absurdist I recognize them as useful and necessary tools, but not points of absolute rest and complacency. ~ Kalki·· 20:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
A fascinating quote, what is the source and citation for it, out of curiosity? -- Cirt (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
It is found in the Preface of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (1980). ~ Kalki·· 20:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah, kewl, thanks, it's been a while since I read that one. -- Cirt (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm back, but busy...[edit]

I have been busy elsewhere the last several days — and only now getting back and catching up on a few things here — but have to leave again, and might not be able to attend to things here until later today. This is just a note indicating my lack of activity here recently — I expect to have more opportunity to do things here in the next several days. I have to be leaving now. ~ Kalki·· 03:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I just got back a short while ago from another excursion, and am considering some options as I catch up on a few things. I do not expect to be traveling as much in the next week as I did in this past week — but I have growing anticipations that many things will keep me busy locally — and I might not have as much time to work here as I had expected — but still might have enough time to begin to address at least few issues with perhaps a bit more consideration than I had time or opportunity to do previously.
That others may choose to ally with or oppose my stands on some issues with a clearer idea of what they actually are, and how I came to develop them, I wish to start a few sections on some of my user pages to provide those interested some further insights on my perspectives on things, and some of the experiences and perceptions which impel me to be so adamant in opposing restrictions on people's abilities or opportunities to indicate all manner of truths about opinions and all manner of opinions about truths, and why I consider reduction of those capacities deplorable. I do not expect to complete these any time soon, but will attempt to work on them and refine them over a few months. ~ Kalki·· 00:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I have had a relatively busier day than I had expected in some regards, and just recently ended some local excursions and have at least one more to do — after which I might be able to attend to a few matters here. I just created a new user page, Kalki/OASIS where I plan to eventually present some ideas I believe relevant to developments on this project. I first conceived of it in response to some observations of certain activities and apparent aims of others early last year, but I knew I would very likely be very busy for months to come, and decided to postpone creating it until I would have more time to work upon it. I do NOT expect to finish it any time soon, and have several ideas I will probably only gradually refine, as time permits, but though I have some matters to attend to now that might take me a few hours, I wanted to start it in these first hours of the Spring, after the first Equinox of this year. I tend to like celebrating many natural events with various creative and reflective endeavors, and the promotion of them in others — and I expect to gradually make clear some of my reasons for this on that page and others in the months to come. Blessings to ALL. ~ Kalki·· 01:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC) + tweak

Lee Daniel Crocker[edit]

I was especially delighted to start the Lee Daniel Crocker page today — and whatever other's beliefs on various matters might be, I tend to believe that whatever the Ultimate God or gods and all the greatest Angels worthy of such names might actually seem or be — they exist or operate in harmonious accord with what Eliezer Yudkowsky has attempted to popularize as "Crocker's rules" — a stance of NOT taking any deep offense at insults — but accepting them for their information value. Thus can individuals proceed with Absurd Wisdom Eternal through whatever Paths of Life they choose to be in, or must be in; which is one aspect of what I identify as the greatest potentials of absurdism, which can permit people to perceive MUCH beyond BOTH rationalistic tricks deriding faith and tricks of faith deriding rationalism — sometimes reaching far closer than blind devotion to either ever could towards the very core and ultimate aspects of the All, ever beyond all definable appearances of any type. So IT goes… Yyjpg.svg Answer to Life.png Caput mortuum.svg Dont panic.svg Anonymous.svg Smiley.svg TARDIS-trans.pngSwirlyclock.png Sahasrara.svg ~ Kalki·· 19:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Question (on translations)[edit]

Hi Kalki. When one adds a different translation, how should one label it: "Variant translation" or "Alternate translation"? Thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I have preferred and usually use "variant translation" — but have no strong objections to the other term. ~ Kalki·· 12:39, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

On The Last Unicorn[edit]

Wonderful article. I first watched The Last Unicorn (film) before studying English, and back then (as a little kid) I would always sing "I'm the last, I'm the last!", probably because of the original title; I now stand corrected. (-: ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

It has long been one of my favorite animated films, and I am sometimes still surprised how many people are unfamiliar with it. As good as it is, the book is even better, as is usually the case. ~ Kalki·· 12:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Dudeism[edit]

Kalki, I was delighted to see that you had created this page - and I am enjoying the quotes added to it. One question - do you believe this page belongs within Category:Religion? Or would it be more properly placed in the larger Category:Philosophy? I tend toward the latter, but I'm not above persuasion towards the former.
And one additional comment - as I am reading Let the Great World Spin by Colum McCann (and adding quotes I find as I read), I started adding more and more wikilinks. Naturally, once I started this process, I immediately went to the page for one of my favorites - American Gods, which is of course quite ripe for wikilinks. Thanks for adding even more yourself to this (and the Colum McCann page as well). ~ UDScott (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I believe it probably belongs in the Religion category, but probably the philosophy as well — and the same could be said for Taoism generally, as well as many of the "nebulous" traditions, which are often not as "dogmatically cohesive" as many classical forms of religious traditions or philosophical schools. I was impressed with the creation of the Colum McCann article — and am glad that things are getting busier and more expressive here lately. As for now, I might work a bit more, for a while, but have to be leaving soon. ~ Kalki·· 17:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I would probably expect this to fit into Humanism, as it seems more humanistic in emphasis than Mystical, and I believe it defnitely qualifies as a relatively new school of Absurdism — but being an absurdist I take note of categories, but I don't have strong fixations with emphasizing many of them. ~ Kalki·· 18:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I would suggest a new Category:Religious parodies and satires, like the one at Wikipedia,[5] within Category:Religion for this article and for Principia Discordia.
Aside:  Did you know, Kalki, that the large quantity of image files on this talk page makes it load very slowly (about four minutes on my dial-up connection)? ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Religious parodies and satires could be an appropriate category for both that and any pages having to do with Discordians — but I so wish to emphasize that I sincerely believe they would both still belong as genuine religions and philosophies — as I believe they are genuine religious traditions which religiously satirize the taking of many things too seriously. As to the size of the page — and download times on dial-up — I can accept that IS a SERIOUS issue, and sympathize, and sorrow at that situation. It does not make me inclined to use graphics much less — for graphics are far more extensively used elsewhere, but I would suggest using an alternate browser with ALL imaging turned off for visiting pages or sites with many unwanted graphics. Such was a strategy I once used when download speeds were much more of a problem than they are now, for me and most people. I actually used to keep several browsers open at once, years ago, but now seldom have more than two open — usually either Safari or Firefox — although there are occasional explorations with others just to test their "feel" and the appearances of things with them, I really find no actual need to use more than those two. There are several with good reputations for speed which you could check out, and I believe the top ones probably all have some options to not display ANY images — though I haven't used such options myself in quite some time. For your sake and those of a few others who do not like images much, for various reasons — it might be a good idea to suggest an option to the software developers of turning off images in the wiki-preferences — and not simply reducing the size of their display to 120px — that would be an ideal solution for you perhaps. I have been stripping out the previous 144px specs I had used on most pages, and I hope that can be of some help to you. I do not know how hard or difficult it might be for programmers to do a more complete exclusion option, or when they might get around to it — but I hope it is an one they might be able to take care of in coming versions of the software. ~ Kalki·· 14:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Congratulations[edit]

Congrats on winning that picture thing Kalki. It is really nice to see the page all lit up again, but try to remember that some people are rather...you know... All the best--Oracleofottawa (talk) 00:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Though I am appreciative and grateful for the show of some support of allowing others greater access to such diverse perspectives as I and others can present (unconstrained by too rigorous rules and regulations — such as I nearly always am inclined to perceive as quite deficient and usually significantly erroneous in MANY regards), I am afraid such congratulations are a bit premature and somewhat presumptive — and thus not entirely welcome. I am aware that though I believe MANY aspects of things are becoming far more apparent and the "tide is turning" in MANY ways — in regard to MANY conflicts and conditions — and NOT only here but in regard to MANY situations I am concerned with, I do NOT presume I have as yet "won" in many ways — for I believe many are as yet unconvinced or unaware and unappreciative of MANY significant ASPECTS of MANY truths — including you, as profoundly insightful regarding some significant things as you seem to be. SINCE early childhood I have RARELY sought to ENTER into DIRECT Conflict with others in ANY ways that could even seem to be disrespectful to ANYONE or ANYTHING, SAVE that to fail to do so would be disrespectful to things of far greater importance in my estimations. I have very rarely failed to emerge the eventual victor in any contests I truly find of great importance, and willing to devote ALL such energies and efforts as I believe are truly necessary towards.

Though I sometimes recognize it can be appropriate or even beneficial in some ways, I actually PREFER to NOT needlessly "crow" nor even seem to disrespectfully exult about ANY actual or apparent victories I am involved with — and generally advise others from doing so in such ways that might inspire further resentments and hostilities with potential or actual adversaries OR allies. Again, I wish to emphasize that I generally seek to fight ONLY as vigorously and extensively as I believe to be truly necessary — and generally since my earliest MONTHS of life, and certainly very explicitly since my first few years of life I to ATTEMPT to do as little harm as necessary to ANYONE — and embraced those dictums of health professionals: certainly HELP others to HEAL or remain healthy — but so much as possible DO NO HARM. UNFORTUNATELY, in some ways, I found at a very early age that MANY people OFTEN mistake such a "meek" and compassionate attitude for mere "weakness", cowardice, passivity or laziness — and end up getting QUITE hurt and injured before they realize they have been VERY wrong. THUS, I actually have learned to sometimes SEEM more angry or intolerant in some ways than I actually am inclined to be — so as to avoid needless contests with people prone to such errors — and thus can focus more on matters such as I believe MOST require my peculiar efforts and attentions.

I actually am usually quite irritated when, either deliberately or inadvertently, others in any way "egg people on" in any way to confront me in various ways — I am usually quite able to handle many situations in satisfactory ways, but do hate wasting any amounts of my time with rather trivial matters based on confrontations at personalistic and egotistical levels of concern — as I have MANY major concerns beyond these that have ALWAYS been within my capacity to PROFOUNDLY concentrate upon PERCEIVE and CALCULATE and INFER many aspects of in ways MOST others, as yet, CANNOT. Even stating such things will sometimes prompt some to hostilities and resentments.

I will probably elaborate on these matters further far more extensively within a few months — but do NOT wish to be distracted from MANY important matters by revealing too many of my capacities and abilities — or some of my weakness and past errors too clearly to too many too soon for such information to be more beneficial than detrimental to me or to others.

I know you might not have expected so extensive a response, and I do hope that your congratulations can remain something that will not be regretted — but I do not generally ask for congratulations or even seek thanks from others — though I generally can be very appreciative of these; rather I seek fellow workers for the progress of Humanity against ignorance and error, and fellow fighters for many vitally important forms of justice, unity and liberty, which REQUIRES a willingness to perceive MANY matters in ways beyond personalistic and partisan matters of concern. I believe you have been and can be one of those people — but I must now ask you to be a bit more reserved in some ways — I am sure that we probably can agree in MANY ways — but do not doubt we can probably disagree in many ways as well — for such has been my attitudes towards ALL people since I was 3 or 4 years old — and my REASONS for believing that have clearly grown in MANY ways since that time. I thank you much for your expression of your sentiments and your support for me in various ways in the past — but I know there is still MUCH work to be done in coming months and years — and I hope that I can and will survive to do MUCH of it.

Though MOST of my life is what others would probably consider quite intensely studious, contemplative and relatively "boring" in many ways — I have recently intimated that I have been willing and able to face, risk and accept at least a few VERY significant dangers and what seemed like certain doom in my past — yet, I expect some of the most dangerous and trying of my trials and trails through destiny have yet to come. I am actually quite confident of being ABLE and LIKELY to CONTRIBUTE much of significance to the progress of Humanity towards greater KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM and out of MANY forms of detrimental ignorance and confusion — but I am NOT confident of actually receiving a great deal of thanks or rewards from others for doing so — because I am FAR more resolutely determined than MOST to do all I can to clearly and primarily assert SIGNIFICANT TRUTHS — where many others often seem far more willing than I to embrace what I perceive to be familiar and comfortable errors, delusions, and even outright lies, when they believe they can provide immediate rewards to their personal appetites or partisan concerns.

Though some have thought to overtly or subtly flatter me or intimidate me in ways I have found ridiculous and quite laughable in many ways, what I consider one of the best compliments I have ever received is one I am quite pleased to repeat — when a friend who knew me quite well remarked in regards to some situations I was confronting a few years back: "You're so honest it SCARES people — they aren't used to it." ONE thing which I do hope to do is to help others to become MORE used to such things in me and with others — so they will not be so fearful and hostile towards so many things — but I know that there are MANY difficulties which I clearly anticipate coming in the months ahead.

That is about as much clarity on a few things as I wish to provide here at this point — and have MUCH work to attend to in coming days and weeks — and so once again — thanks and BLESSINGS — and so we all go into the realms of future challenges and opportunities. So it EVER goes…. The wise can EVER see Blessings, Blessings and more Blessings — amidst many forms of conflicts and concerns — yet they also realize there are always dangers. Blessing and dangers can and do often seem to pass — but DANGER itself never does — and neither does the ultimate will to BLESS. Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 02:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks


A short while ago, I reduced the size of the graphics with which I started my comments in this section — which as might be surmised have some peculiar significance to me beyond such meanings as they might have for others — but I am willing to let those and many other things go undiscerned by most as yet — and remain somewhat puzzling and mysterious, as I focus my attention on many tasks and various concerns. I will say this much: I do believe in prompting others in various ways to THINK and to CARE about MANY aspects of Awareness and LIFE and DEATH and the often absurdly complex relationships which ALWAYS exist among ALL things we encounter in our lives, beyond many of the simplistic cliches and assumptions they often encounter, AS IF these were all one NEEDED to know or could hope to know.

I have ALWAYS perceived there was MUCH more significance to MANY things BEYOND what most could easily discern — and being willing, able and often quite ready to INVESTIGATE and EXPLORE many aspects of these and appreciate them in diverse ways has kept my life rather interesting, and my willingness to let others explore so much as they can or wish to, without being improperly invasive of others rights has kept me in states of greater ease in many ways than those who are more closed minded and suspicious of the motives or aims of others.

I know the symbols which I am often using to indicate or link to general absurdism and many aspects of life or indications of philosophies of various sorts have alchemical and other arcane significance which others might find ominous in silly ways or silly in ominous ways, but I am aware of MUCH of their significance in ways I have long found amusing and interesting, and am willing to expand upon indications of these much more in coming months — primarily elsewhere perhaps, but eventually here. I believe when I eventually reveal MUCH that I can about why they are is so significant to me, and how they came to be so it will amuse many greatly — and might not easily be believed by some — but they involve some of my earliest dreams and experiences, and some of my peculiar responses and willingness to respect such Signs as I have received in life — of MANY things, in many ways.

I was somewhat tired earlier when I read your comments, and have had time to do a few things of some significance and get some rest — and now go about working here and elsewhere for perhaps another hour or so before I am likely to leave again. I would like to indicate that I am pleased to see some people of diverse views becoming more active here lately — and have long believed the eagerness of some to inflict too many rules and constraints upon the presentations and expressions of others was driving many people away with discouragement — as I have begun to make more plain. I have always thought that people benefit MOST where they are free to honestly and creatively express or indicate MANY of their own views on MANY things — but I know that many find this unwelcome thing, and do not always thrive or like such environments where other ideas and tastes can have greater influences than some which they regard as preferable. I am MUCH more inclined to sow seeds of INDICATION by which many can become inspired in ways beyond my own reckonings, than to keep all others constrained to simply what reckonings I can formulate or indicate in words. I have ALWAYS known the Ultimate Reality of ALL Awareness, Life, and Love to BE beautiful beyond all words — and have often been willing to be very truthfully indicative of that, and permit others to be as well. Blessings to ALL. So IT goes… Yyjpg.svg Answer to Life.png Caput mortuum.svg Dont panic.svg Anonymous.svg Smiley.svg TARDIS-trans.pngSwirlyclock.png Sahasrara.svg ~ Kalki·· 10:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

HAPPY EASTER! and Thanks MUCH![edit]

This has been a splendid several days for me, and I have increasing demands upon my time, and I like that. I am just back from one local excursion and about to go out on another — and I expect to be VERY busy for the next several days so I am not sure how much time I will have to edit here — but at this time I wish to thank anyone who has already spoken on my behalf at Wikipedia Proposal to unblock Kalki, and I hope things can proceed well there soon. I must get going now — but I have numerous ideas on some additions to the Doctor Who pages within the next week. I am actually back from talking with some fellow fans about last night's FANTASTIC episode, and off to take care of some local necessities, and probably make a long distance phone call later — and MAYBE have a chance to edit a bit more here today. BLESSINGS to all and HAPPY EASTER for EVER! ~ Yyjpg.svg Answer to Life.png Caput mortuum.svg Dont panic.svg Anonymous.svg Smiley.svg TARDIS-trans.pngSwirlyclock.png Sahasrara.svg Kalki·· 17:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Just checking back in here — as I indicated before at times, I have been very busy lately, and expect to get even busier in the days and weeks ahead. Some days I might have a chance to spend a few hours on the computer and do some work here, and at other times I will be so busy with local tasks that I might only sporadically check in for a few minutes, sometimes perhaps several times a day. I am HOPING to get some good spans of computer time here soon — but I am no longer counting on it. I actually do not expect to be absent for more than a few hours at a time — but there will be times when I have only a few minutes to check up on things before dashing off again. I actually am VERY PLEASED to be so active — but even so, I am sure I won't have the time to do all the things I would like to do. "April is the cruelest month" it is said — but I do not mind what others might believe to be the cruelty of fast paces and an extensive range of tasks — and time and fate must sometimes be cruel to produce kindness — which actually reminds me of something I thought of a few hours ago, about FATE knocking on the door — and I am just typing it here now so I don't forget it. So much for the sudden stream of consciousness thing. I plan to do a bit more here within a few hours — but with various other things also demanding my attention, and knowing I will probably need some sleep eventually, I might only have a chance for a few dabbles... So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 03:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

We're not so different, you and I.[edit]

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We... are one.
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Are we?

This case has been discussed in mailing lists, and Kalki and DanielTom were found to be Unrelated. And this was based on the findings of three checkusers checking accounts across multiple projects. The consensus is that there is almost no possibility these two are the same editor.

Well, that was a nice fantasy while it lasted... ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Despite being a very distinct and peculiar individual human being, I am inclined to say WE are ALL of course ONE with the ONE which is the ALL — but most people are NOT easily brought to such beautiful and liberating perspectives upon things — which are at the core of the Mystical Experience of MANY diverse traditions, by whatever names they go, and no matter how divergent they might be in inclination or disinclination to many forms of artistic and poetic ceremonies or rituals — including those of the physical and psychological sciences and arts and technologies which continue to enrich our world — and which can provide strong evidence that we are indeed two quite different autonomous human individuals.
But pragmatically returning to more mundane and problematic aspects of Reality and recent situations: I thank you much for your involvement on my behalf — it indicates you have a very good sense that what Humanity we all have should be properly respected and defended — even in the sometimes very stunted and shriveled forms of it which we might often encounter. I am actually inclined to believe that despite all the problems of the past and present, there are many good signs of good things progressing well — and that makes me more joyous about many things than normal lately. But enough chattering — I have work to do — here and elsewhere. Blessings ~ Kalki·· 03:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
I also think it unfortunate that most people, even those who meditate every day, should go through life without ever having the experience of "being at one with the universe." That in turn reminds me of Sam Harris' little essay on Drugs and the Meaning of Life. Amusingly, it used to be possible to buy psilocybin mushrooms in Portugal, but just a few weeks ago a law passed forbidding it. (LSD was obviously already illegal.) There are, of course, other ways to have such experiences — even Bertrand Russell had a " a sort of mystic illumination" (from which he came out "a completely different person") — but those are rare. Yours truly etc., DanielTom (talk) 22:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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I know it will surprise some, but actually, I have never used such drugs, though on some occasions I have been in the presence of friends and acquaintances who have. As a staunch absurdist libertarian mystic, who realizes such means MIGHT possibly be the only likely way for some to attain such states or experiences, I firmly believe in the proper RIGHT of people to make their own decisions, and I do not believe it right to presume that oneself or any group of individuals knows what is "best" for others. I believe the psychedelics might be helpful to some, and they remain the only ones I am really interested in someday, perhaps, trying, but I have no intentions of doing so any time soon. I do NOT need them, and have made that plain to friends who have offered me them. I was experiencing PROFOUND Kenotic Awareness through contemplation and insightfully dealing with many VERY significant mystical experiences and dreams when I was but a very young child and many of the abilities to do so have never left me. My attitudes towards drugs is one that recognizes casual use IS dangerous, and can be debilitating, and one risks diminishing many forms of worthy human integrity when using them — but those who seek to absolutely PROHIBIT others from the use of them are often or even usually in even fouler paths of error, in that they have lost one of the most important forms of ethical integrity, which ever involves NOT presuming you KNOW what is best for OTHERS. And of course those who seek money and power by promoting their use and abuse by people who are NOT capable of handling them well are in foulest paths of error — but as libertarians often emphasize — the prohibition strategies work to keep such people rich and powerful in ways that can seem admirable and desirable to many, especially to the those who are lacking in many forms of hope and confidence for various reasons. I was about to leave when I saw your message, so stuck around to make these brief comments. Blessings ~ Kalki·· 22:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
Thanks. Indeed, there are many libertarians who have never touched alcohol, tobacco or any other drug. Penn Jillette comes to mind. Now, I should confess that I have never understood Libertarianism myself, given that I value Freedom because it potentially leads to more Happiness, and so it is the latter, not the former, that seems to me to be the highest Good. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:25, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Actually, as a JUL absurdist (which is a rather obscure and peculiar type of absurdist), I have a very high skepticism towards ANY labels, words, or names, and how they are often used, misused or abused. I know that I have peculiar perspectives on many things, which I have no intentions of getting into extensively anywhere, let alone here, as yet. They involve FAR too many complications for most to easily appreciate. It is only relatively recently I began openly declaring myself an absurdist here, because I know most people have but little idea of many of the broad ranges of absurdist perspectives, and I wanted to begin to clarify some aspects of truths I find important and relevant to issues that arise here. I am a "libertarian" with a small "L" and do not belong to any parties — and even though I have much respect for many diverse perspectives, I also have a great deal of skepticism and reserve about MANY claims and attitudes of those considered "right", "left" or "center." Now that I have begun to openly indicate more of my own opinions on some matters, I have come to like the phrase "Absurdist with an Anarchistic ethos" as a relatively good summary of my general disposition, as one who can respectfully observe many diverse ideas, conventions and rules, but is rarely inclined to IMPOSE or support the imposition of any needlessly on the liberties or behavior of others. ~ Kalki·· 10:58, 6 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Thanks to all for Wikipedia activity[edit]

I VERY MUCH thank all who have supported me in the recent measures to unblock my Wikipedia account. I also wish to assert that I bear no ill will to those who in good conscience have opposed my presence there or elsewhere, in various ways and for various reasons, believing themselves to be supportive of what they believe to be fair and just aims. I am very pleased to now resume activities at Wikipedia, and simply wish to be a beneficial contributor there. Unfortunately, in some regards, I expect to be a bit busier in my terrestrial localities than I had expected to be for at least a couple weeks and probably a couple months — but I do not expect that to prevent me from being a daily presence on Wikiquote. I am looking forward to a busy year in many regards, and I believe that things are generally proceeding well. Blessings to ALL. ~ Kalki·· 10:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages[edit]

I am glad to be back to activity there, though I have not done much as yet. I did create 2 links to WQ that I had been aware WP articles were lacking a short while before being unblocked: The All, which had been lacking one for some time, and Clara Oswald, which I had only recently created. Earlier today (at my location), I created the page here for Story here and for the first time in over 2 years could simply link the relevant WP articles to ours. I have been developing my user pages (User:Kalki & User talk:Kalki) there, and believe I am nearly done for a while — and after that I will probably take Ninguable's previous suggestion to reduce the images on this page so as to not inhibit those with slower connections from addressing me here. After that I will probably try to clean up or develop some of my other user pages over the next few weeks, along with casual editing of articles and such, as inspirations impel me.

I believe that many problems of the past and present have been caused by various "failures to communicate" and both reasonable or unreasonable unwillingness to communicate MANY quite relevant matters. As an absurdist I recognize that there are QUITE often MANY diverse causes for this, and believe that these actually are NEVER entirely the blame of any one person or group, and that even perceptions of the proportions of responsibility can vary greatly with how extensively informed one is of various matters and various contexts of many diverse situations. I believe that strong inclinations and attempts to absolutely assign blame and punish errors that can range from mild to severe with needless harshness can quite often make matters far worse — but so can inhibiting honest declarations of opinions and assessments which are often needed for attempting to find corrective paths without ever desiring or nurturing any will to needlessly punish, distress, diminish or constrain others. This is all too OFTEN precisely what occurs in various large groups of people where many have little direct contact or familiarity with others — and the feelings of many natural or acquired biases are often vigorously suppressed and yet smoulder in various ways.

I expect that within a few months, with such information as I intend to provide, here and elsewhere, anyone interested in doing so will have a much more extensive awareness of many of my perspectives upon things, and some of the reasons for these than I have ever yet provided anyone. I do not expect everyone to agree with me on all matters, or even most, and never have — and I doubt that many will understand much I would like to indicate all that well. I do hope that most can and will find more reasons to accept many of the diverse inclinations of each other and ways to harmonize their own inclinations with those of others, without ever demanding or insisting upon absolute compliance and conformity to their will, though I know that there will always be some matters where little or no compromise or agreement will be likely, or even possible. I will probably begin trimming this page within a few hours — or at least within the next day — but now have to begin attending to many other things for at least a few hours. Blessings ~ Kalki·· 03:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks P.S.: Did end up doing a bit more here, reducing the size of this page, and might do some more later in the week. ~ Kalki·· 04:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I am just back from a relatively brief excursion but might be busy on many other things much of the next few days. I actually expect to be busy every day here for some time to come — but I certainly cannot know in advance how much time I will have to spend here on any particular day — some days it might be just a few minutes, sometimes several hours, and sometimes most of the day, but often with most of my attention devoted to other matters, as various circumstances arise. Some things I had planned to do until relatively recently are not so urgent now, and can safely be neglected or abandoned — and other things which I had long put aside, are becoming more prominent in my attention. I am quite pleased to be quite busy most days, with little opportunity or need for much rest — and am currently looking forward to what I believe will be a very productive and interesting spring and summer, here and elsewhere. Blessings to all. ~ Kalki·· 22:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Ego[edit]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Ego, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

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I can agree that "Ego" is distinct enough a concept it should have its own page, rather than have "Ego" redirect to "egotism" as I presently created the page to do, but would tend to prefer it exist as a redirect to that page until such time as a proper "ego" article can be created out of it. ~ Kalki·· 12:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I have now turned that page into a proper article. ~ Kalki·· 23:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Significance[edit]

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I can agree that "Significance" is distinct enough a concept it should have its own page, rather than have "Significance" redirect to "Sign" as I presently created the page to do, but would tend to prefer it exist as a redirect to that page until such time as a proper "Significance" article can be created, or perhaps an "Importance" article which would probably be a better target for a redirect. ~ Kalki·· 12:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I have now created a proper article for the page — I will probably do the same for Ego later — but have only been briefly checking in here, and must be going. I should be back within a few hours. ~ Kalki·· 13:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to all for Wikipedia activity[edit]

I VERY MUCH thank all who have supported me in the recent measures to unblock my Wikipedia account. I also wish to assert that I bear no ill will to those who in good conscience have opposed my presence there or elsewhere, in various ways and for various reasons, believing themselves to be supportive of what they believe to be fair and just aims. I am very pleased to now resume activities at Wikipedia, and simply wish to be a beneficial contributor there. Unfortunately, in some regards, I expect to be a bit busier in my terrestrial localities than I had expected to be for at least a couple weeks and probably a couple months — but I do not expect that to prevent me from being a daily presence on Wikiquote. I am looking forward to a busy year in many regards, and I believe that things are generally proceeding well. Blessings to ALL. ~ Kalki·· 10:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages[edit]

I am glad to be back to activity there, though I have not done much as yet. I did create 2 links to WQ that I had been aware WP articles were lacking a short while before being unblocked: The All, which had been lacking one for some time, and Clara Oswald, which I had only recently created. Earlier today (at my location), I created the page here for Story here and for the first time in over 2 years could simply link the relevant WP articles to ours. I have been developing my user pages (User:Kalki & User talk:Kalki) there, and believe I am nearly done for a while — and after that I will probably take Ninguable's previous suggestion to reduce the images on this page so as to not inhibit those with slower connections from addressing me here. After that I will probably try to clean up or develop some of my other user pages over the next few weeks, along with casual editing of articles and such, as inspirations impel me.

I believe that many problems of the past and present have been caused by various "failures to communicate" and both reasonable or unreasonable unwillingness to communicate MANY quite relevant matters. As an absurdist I recognize that there are QUITE often MANY diverse causes for this, and believe that these actually are NEVER entirely the blame of any one person or group, and that even perceptions of the proportions of responsibility can vary greatly with how extensively informed one is of various matters and various contexts of many diverse situations. I believe that strong inclinations and attempts to absolutely assign blame and punish errors that can range from mild to severe with needless harshness can quite often make matters far worse — but so can inhibiting honest declarations of opinions and assessments which are often needed for attempting to find corrective paths without ever desiring or nurturing any will to needlessly punish, distress, diminish or constrain others. This is all too OFTEN precisely what occurs in various large groups of people where many have little direct contact or familiarity with others — and the feelings of many natural or acquired biases are often vigorously suppressed and yet smoulder in various ways.

I expect that within a few months, with such information as I intend to provide, here and elsewhere, anyone interested in doing so will have a much more extensive awareness of many of my perspectives upon things, and some of the reasons for these than I have ever yet provided anyone. I do not expect everyone to agree with me on all matters, or even most, and never have — and I doubt that many will understand much I would like to indicate all that well. I do hope that most can and will find more reasons to accept many of the diverse inclinations of each other and ways to harmonize their own inclinations with those of others, without ever demanding or insisting upon absolute compliance and conformity to their will, though I know that there will always be some matters where little or no compromise or agreement will be likely, or even possible. I will probably begin trimming this page within a few hours — or at least within the next day — but now have to begin attending to many other things for at least a few hours. Blessings ~ Kalki·· 03:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks P.S.: Did end up doing a bit more here, reducing the size of this page, and might do some more later in the week. ~ Kalki·· 04:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I am just back from a relatively brief excursion but might be busy on many other things much of the next few days. I actually expect to be busy every day here for some time to come — but I certainly cannot know in advance how much time I will have to spend here on any particular day — some days it might be just a few minutes, sometimes several hours, and sometimes most of the day, but often with most of my attention devoted to other matters, as various circumstances arise. Some things I had planned to do until relatively recently are not so urgent now, and can safely be neglected or abandoned — and other things which I had long put aside, are becoming more prominent in my attention. I am quite pleased to be quite busy most days, with little opportunity or need for much rest — and am currently looking forward to what I believe will be a very productive and interesting spring and summer, here and elsewhere. Blessings to all. ~ Kalki·· 22:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Busier again…[edit]

I have been much busier than I had anticipated with many things lately, and expect that to remain the case, but expect an especially hectic week for the remainder of this week, and anticipate there might be a few days where I spend no more than a few minutes a day checking in here, as I am doing now. After this week I will probably resume a bit higher level of activity here, but right now I am going to get some rest. ~ Kalki·· 01:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

As is quite normal for me, I did not sleep long. After a few days of activity with very little sleep, I had less than two hours sleep, and have been up over an hour now, doing various things, and with many things yet to do, and hope to catch another hour of sleep sometime before leaving within a few hours (but probably won't). I definitely do not feel I have time to deal with some issues which seem to be developing here, and probably won't for a few days, but so it goes. Other things have a greater significance and priority on my agenda, and I don't plan to do more than check in her occasionally for a few days, so pressing are other matters. ~ Kalki·· 05:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC) + tweak

Before I go off attending to other matters too extensively to check in here again, and perhaps for the last time before leaving my current location for the day, Happy May Day, to those who celebrate the day in various ways. And NOW off to work at a few other things.... So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 05:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Until a couple of days ago, I had intended to become much more active here for at least a couple of weeks (beginning yesterday), but several situations have changed drastically, and as of present, I expect to have MUCH less time for internet activities for at least a couple of weeks, and perhaps shall only be checking in here most days a few minutes a day. I might occasionally have more than an hour to spend working here, but am not counting on it, and I expect to only spend a very little time here most days, for at least a few days more, and quite possibly a few weeks more. ~ Kalki·· 05:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
I am hoping to resume more extensive activity here soon, but for now often have very little time or opportunity to attend to internet concerns, and this will probably be the case for at least another day or two... So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 10:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
My activities elsewhere have kept me away from activities on the internet even more than I had anticipated, and are likely to continue to for a while yet. I might have some time to do a few things more here later today, but must be leaving now. So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 13:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I've been exceptionally busy the last couple of days, and my edits in recent days have been mostly hectic ones made from various iphones, computers or an ipad, but many situations have developed in very satisfactory ways, and I expect to be able to spend much more time here in coming weeks than I have in the most recent months. I have to leave again now, though, but might have time to do a bit more in a few hours, and probably have the time to start doing substantially more within a few days. ~ Kalki·· 02:19, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Original Barnstar The Tireless Contributor Barnstar The Editors Barnstar The Barnstar of Diligence The Barnstar of Integrity
The WikiDefender Barnstar The Socratic Barnstar The Special Barnstar The QOTD Barnstar The Feedback Responder Barnstar
The Working Man's Barnstar The Surreal Barnstar The Purple Barnstar The Userpage Barnstar The All-Around Amazing Barnstar
The Multiple Barnstar
You are the best thing that ever happened to Wikiquote. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if we can call it "a" barnstar. :) More "evidence" for Cirt's case! :-p DanielTom (talk) 00:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Much virtue in IF — and I speak obscurely and humorously here, in ways I do not expect to be immediately or thoroughly understood (as I often do, without so much of an overt clue of that fact as I here provide) — but I thank you for your note of appreciation. I am sure there are some who would disagree, and I believe that I have intense good will towards even most of these, such as yet does not lead me to seek to disguise what disagreements and oppositions I can and MUST have to many of their aims and assumptions by insincere or shallow and false indications of agreement with their errors and acceptance of them as truths, as many of shallow sensibilities and low integrity are prone to demand.

Those of low integrity I do no expect to easily persuade to like me much, nor such attitudes as I generally seek to exhibit and promote, once they have become enamored of paths by which they seek to exalt themselves by seeking to undermine such people as myself, nor am I overly alarmed by their usually quite misguided efforts and aims, save to the extent that they can or do endanger the welfare and opportunities of others far more than myself.

There is much which your praise prompts me to indicate further, in my generally jovial absurdist manner, eager to spark thought and many forms of broad appreciation of Humanity in general, but as I remain in a VERY busy period activity with other things, where I believe I must serve such aims in other ways, I do not expect much opportunity to address any of them extensively for at least several days. I am in a bit of a rush now to do a few things here, and then resume extensive activities elsewhere. Blessings ~ Kalki·· 09:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

The Sword in the Stone (film)[edit]

Thanks for this, I missed it... In Portuguese the film is called "A Espada Era a Lei" (something like "The Sword Was The Law"), so I didn't realize that page was about the same Disney movie! (I will pay more attention in the future.) Take care, DanielTom (talk) 08:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Quote by Mayor of Capetown Helen Zille about Freedom of expression[edit]

"This is a free country. A free society throws up these kinds of people, who exercise their freedom in unusual ways. And if this is how he wants to do it, I must accept his constitutional right to do so."


Hi there Kalki, you might find this intriguing:

I thought you'd be interested in the above quote by then-Mayor of Capetown Helen Zille — I've cited the secondary source for the quote at the new page I've created and sourced = Pricasso.

I hope you're doing well,

-- Cirt (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Along with the mayor quoted, I certainly believe that to the extent they do not actively attempt to unjustly harm, constrain or limit the proper rights of others, anyone and everyone has a right to express and indicate their talents, inclinations and opinions. Of course while the wisest, strongest and most secure are usually very tolerant of broad ranges of things, those most ethically weak, petty and small minded often seek to defame, denigrate and deface the work of anyone with greater talents or abilities than they can absolutely constrain and control, and there are many diverse examples of this at work in the world.

The strongest and worthiest often support the rightfulness of permitting even the most dull, dimwitted, hypocritical and infantile to show how shallow, narrow, miniscule and petty their particular interests, talents and character actually are. Most people can perceive that much which people choose to emphasize often indicates much about the tenor of their character, and while many present diverse forms of genuine virtue and compassion, others regularly reveal their levels of insincerity, hypocrisy, malice, brutality and even their sometimes pathological obsessions with irritating those they seem to believe are highly vulnerable to being harmed by their pathetic forms of aggression and open or suppressed hostility. Some people, with their forms of disregard and hostile scorn of many genuine forms of beautiful and profound optimism and good will, are actually even so stupidly and blindly bigoted as to quite often exhibit their apparent intentions to do little more than insult and denigrate others who might are clearly more sincere and capable of appreciating Humanity in subtle or overt ways. There are certainly some people who are very exemplary in this regard. I confess that I have actually been to busy with other things of significance to take much note of things here lately, but hope to be able to make far more extensive observations of many particulars within the next few months. So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 11:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Thank you for your most interesting comments. -- Cirt (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Image caption[edit]

Hi Kalki. I changed the image caption which you had added yourself some time ago. I admit that your caption, in conjunction with the picture, was more romantic and thought provoking, but I'm afraid it was also a bit deceiving (you can read my rationale in the edit summary; I can also explain my thinking further, if you like). You should of course feel free to revert my edit, that'd be fine. Just letting you know. Cheers ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

You seem to have an objection to that translation itself, but the quote I used is a portion of most of the standard translations of the passage into English. I thought it was appropriate to use with the image, but have no strong objection to the quote you have replaced it with. ~ Kalki·· 01:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
The translation "Time bears away all things, even our minds" is perfectly fine, and I don't even feel tempted to add a note saying it refers to old age. What I thought could be a bit deceiving was using the caption "Time bears away all things..." for that picture (an eroding monument), because only quoting that part could convey the wrong impression to the reader—of course, as I said, it was "more romantic and thought provoking", and I like it, but that was my concern anyway. I also took into consideration that "Time is flying never to return" is an even more well-known quote, so I decided to try it and see how it would look. Either is okay with me. ~ DanielTom (talk) 06:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI...[edit]

I have fixed a formatting error on your user page. Viriditas (talk) 02:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

And I fixed the bold formatting that I messed up. Viriditas (talk) 02:50, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you, Kalki, for your continued helpful updates to the New pages section of the Main Page.

It helps keep Wikiquote fresh for our readers.

Thanks again,

-- Cirt (talk) 15:13, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Still Around[edit]

Thank you Kalki for your heart warming note. That image business on the Wikiquote homepage really upset me. And for a period, I thought you gave it up. But I am glad it has been resolved. Your style is unmistakable and I was quiet shocked and surprised that you won that one also. As far as adding more to Wikiquote, it is going to be very hard to top the stuff that we have worked on. The Marx page is really awesome. I have been working a really rich vein in the reading and have a ton of stuff to add. But right now it is the ALDS and the awesome Red Sox. After nearly 13,000 edits, I took some time to watch baseball this summer, which I really enjoy the older I get. Again thank you and best wishes...--Oracleofottawa (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Quote of the Day proposal for 29 October 2013[edit]

Hi. I just made a quote of the day proposal for 29 October 2013. I'm not familiar with the proposal procedure. Is the way I did correct? Thanks in advance and greetings --P3Y229 (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Another editor more familiar with the processes has reverted your edit, because it was in the wrong section, and probably knowing that the guidelines recommend quotes having some relevance to the date, such as the author's birthday, or an anniversary of some event or holiday (though not actually requiring that, those without such tend to get low rankings). The section you added your suggestion to is where selections are recorded, after they have been made — the listings below, in the "Suggestions" section are where new proposals are made, and can be ranked from 4 to 0 in level of preference by those interested. It is also recommended that only one suggestion at time, at most, be ranked a 4 (the top preference) by any editor on any suggestion page. I do wish to thank you for your notable contributions in recent months, and encourage you to add any QOTD suggestions on appropriate dates, and rank any other suggestions you find worthy or unworthy of note. I will probably be attending further to selections for the rest of this month within the next day or two. ~ Kalki·· 07:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)+ tweaks
Thank you very much for the information and your kind words regarding my contributions. --P3Y229 (talk) 21:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

All Saint's Day business…[edit]

Lately I have often only had time to check in here a few minutes at a time, and there is much I believe needs FAR more thorough attention, involving false assumptions and assertions —  but I must be leaving now, and might attend to some of it when I get back, and over the next few weeks. So it goes.… ~ Kalki·· 23:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC) + tweaks

Thanks much[edit]

Thank you, Kalki, for your helpful research and edits to page Werner Erhard and your helpful comments against censorship at page Scietnology, to user User talk:MLKLewis, much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of quote[edit]

What does this quote mean "I would have men invest themselves with the dignity of an aim higher than the chase for wealth; choose a thing to do in life outside of the making of things, and keep it in mind, — not for a day, nor a year, but for a life-time."? --Spannerjam (talk) 19:13, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

As with any statement there can be many meanings and interpretations derived or intended, depending upon the context provided or perceived. As the famous anarchist Voltairine de Cleyre made the statement within "The Dominant Idea" first published in Mother Earth (1910) she plainly seems to be advocating or prompting an intense and life-long dedication to ideas and ideals such as Justice, Liberty, and Honesty as can be the most secure foundations of genuine social Harmony and Unity and human happiness — but fully in accord with these there are further refinements or nuances possible. ~ Kalki·· 19:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Greetings[edit]

Thanks, for the kind words. I was collecting text for Atman but you had already posted it today. So I added some more. Vedanta was inspiration from the articles that I and another user from Bengal have written under our Wikiproject Vivekanada. Vivekananda is also a GA. I will be adding more articles on famous people of India or expanding the stubs. I have posted two quotes for posting on 22nd and 29th December. You may like to have a look at them. You have done monumental work since 2006 on wikiquote. Congrats. Pl feel free to suggest any correction required in my articles. Thanks and cheers.--Nvvchar (talk) 16:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Bhagvada Gita[edit]

[6] <- Have a look . Justicejayant (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Edition Clash[edit]

Sorry about that Kalki. p. xiii, of the Penguin Modern Classic Edition, is very different from the actual first edition. In my copy p.xiii is the Introduction, written by one Alvin A. Lee, Then there is another Introduction written directly after by Northrop Frye...with the beginning pagination starting at page three. Will go to something else until I can acquire the original first...--Oracleofottawa (talk) 01:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all. I was immediately curious as to how you had missed it, as I could recall having seen it elsewhere, when I scanned through your edits. It is good to see you more active here again. ~ Kalki·· 15:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Kalki quote source[edit]

I would like to add the Kalki "Love is in my beginning and my ending. It is the beginning and ending of ALL which IS." quote from your userpage at the love quotation page. Can you provide me with the quote source i.e. a source citation? Thanks in advance. --P3Y229 (talk) 10:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the inquiry and for all your recent involvement with this project. I will state that at this point in time it is certainly not appropriate to add that to that page; it is an assertion which arose within my own mind years ago which I believed could and would resonate with all who are wise in the ways of the ALL and the ONE within all and beyond all things and mortal entities — be they considered as matter, events, or as patterns or forms of mortal lives — or by any other aspects of Ultimate Reality which are manifest or apparent through Ultimate Necessity of ALL.
The pragmatically practical and poetically profound systems and patterns of expressions and perceptions permitted by many momentary, enduring or manifestly eternal illuminations of universal semiotics have interested me since infancy — in many peculiar ways for many peculiar reasons, and since infancy I have clearly known that words and signs of ANY sort are NOT totally reliable means of communications or indications of truths and facts and beliefs and feelings — but certainly often (if not ultimately), they are the best means we have of indicating MUCH which is important, and it is often helpful or even necessary to stumble through a great many of them to arrive at particular points or regions of awareness and appreciation of MUCH which we encounter in our lives. Thus, I have NOT relied upon words to convey all which can be indicated to others — and am aware and appreciative of the FACT that the character and disposition of the entities I address will have MUCH more significance in what they can perceive and appreciate of what I attempt to indicate than anything I or any other happens to say.
I know I am "going verbose" at present, and I have always been inclined to profound despair of reliable communion in regard to MUCH of significance which I believe can be helpful to many through words alone, and yet persist with absurd hopes and confidence which might be summarized as exemplifying distinct ranges of absurdist wisdom and foolishness, and ABSURD faith in the worth of trying my best to indicate the truths and beauties of MANY of the vital virtues nearly all human beings are potentially CAPABLE of manifesting, whether they are actually or apparently much inclined to appreciating them in others or not: Humility, Courage, Honesty, Compassion and inclinations towards a holy comprehension of many highly coordinated holistic considerations, which many angelic idiots such as I myself can have.
I see words and symbols as tools to INDICATE and evoke and expose ASPECTS of truths and beauty of Ultimate Reality — and which certainly CANNOT be used to absolutely and completely define them — and this an aspect of such Absurd Wisdom Eternal which MOST people regularly seem ignorant of or oblivious towards.
I know I am using this opportunity to indicate a bit more than you probably expected, but being in something of a roll of thoughts within my roles of Being, I will continue to state: the MORE people are inclined to DEMAND others CONFORM ABSOLUTELY to the expectations and demands they stupidly create with their pathetic and paltry misuse of words and indifference and hostility to actual truths in their active abuses of living spirits and minds, the more I am inclined to be silent in the face of their PROFOUND STUPIDITY, to the extent I can or must, and simply OBSERVE the patterns of situations, and find ways to oppose many aspects of their will and behavior vigorously or subtly, and if necessary openly and fiercely fight various aspects of them to the extent I believe I morally must. Whatever paths I might take through definite and enduring anger at unjust situations and intentions, I truly believe that I can and do pass through nearly any forms of detrimental hatred of others rather swiftly, and begin and end and PERSIST in the Love of ALL within ALL, as all the wisest human beings ever have and ever shall.
This has been but a relatively brief and primarily "stream of consciousness" response, as I prepare to leave and take care of some things today, before a winter storm hits the areas in which I reside. So it goes… ~ Kalki·· 15:33, 14 December 2013 (UTC) + tweaks
Your answer wasn't the one I expected. You surprised me, but in a very positive way. Thank you very much for sharing your profound thoughts which I really appreciate. Pax tecum! Live long and in peace!!!

Response to "Some sections moved back into place."[edit]

I greatly appreciate much of the work you have done here lately, with many significant additions to many pages, but I just reverted your moving of two sections on the Isaac Newton page, as having the "disputed" and "misattributed" sections before the "quotes about" section is the standard layout on pages. ~ Kalki·· 00:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I can understand why the "Disputed" and "Misattributed" headers are in the order that they are in under Guide to layout. What I cannot understand is the alarming and distracting background colors that could easily lead a reader to sense that one is now "outside the boundaries" of the authentic article. I'm sure there was a discussion that lead to the standard usage of the background colors associated with the
"Disputed"
and
"Misattributed,"
sections, but it now seems (to at least one reader) a poor decision. Perhaps it was made when there were not many "Quotes about" sections being utilized, so the reader actually was at the end of the authentic article? No malice was intended, since I was unaware of the standard formatting scheme. It was just an ignorant knee-jerk reaction to the awful background colors that seem to punch the reader in the face and which could sadly and easily knock one out of the ring of the article. ELApro (talk) 03:17, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
I had read your message earlier, but was too busy to respond to it then, but was reminded of it just now. There was extensive agreement to use the colors as a means of clearly alerting readers to the more dubious value of statements in such sections. Otherwise very casual readers might well see something on a page and more easily not pay much attention to the information qualifying or disputing the validity of many attributions. ~ Kalki·· 01:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Background colors for these sections were introduced at the Village Pump in 2010 under Color coordination for misattribution sections. The prevalence of "Quotes about" sections and the order of sections are not different before and since that time. I like the logic of placing all of the quotes from and attributed to the person before the quotes about.

I never got a sense that highlighted sections signal the end of the main article, only an important context within the article. I can appreciate how it might strike you as awfully in-your-face, but that does not seem to be a typical reaction: we have been using this format for three years without any other complaints that I can recall. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC) [ copied from User talk:ELApro ]

Does seem likely that not many people would have an interest in reading "quotes" that have a good chance of not being (authentic) "quotes." I don't know how one would measure such a reaction, however. Almost seems like Misattributed and Disputed quotes should be on a separated page, similar to the "Talk" page, which has more interest for "editors" than "readers." Just rambling... by the way, are the editors that enter comments in other User Talk pages automatically notified when there is a response on that Talk page? Thanks for keeping me in line Kalki & Ningauble, I do appreciate your oversight and help. ELApro (talk) 16:57, 16 December 2013 (UTC) [ copied from User talk:ELApro ]

email[edit]

May I send you an email? ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

You may do so, as I can anticipate that frankness on some matters might easily be penalized here, but I actually prefer to engage in open and public dialogue here on any matters which can be safely addressed without such penalties. I have stated it before to others that I am peculiar in my internet activities, and often do not check even my most used email addresses for weeks or months at a time, and thus cannot usually be reliably contacted thus. I am considering addressing some issues here in direct use of talk pages and user pages, but I remain rather busy with some other matters at present. ~ Kalki·· 01:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll do so. And don't worry, it's just one, short, email. Cheers, DanielTom (talk) 01:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Good Omens[edit]

Awoke with this thought today: "Love is not a duty and cannot be a duty — yet it is the only salvation." I had also extended it in various ways, asserting Love ever envelops the only forms of salvation and the only paths to salvation. All else is dross, and can become poisonous, especially when it leads minds astray from the paths of Ultimate Love of ALL in ALL.

While doing intermittent work here and expanding the Meaning page, I realized Viktor Frankl did not have a page here yet, and while amending that oversight, thus had to head the Frankl page with "I grasped the meaning of the greatest secret that human poetry and human thought and belief have to impart: The salvation of man is through love and in love." ~ Kalki·· 18:42, 20 December 2013 (UTC)+ tweaks

I have an intense love of many forms of truth, and in profound honesty confess to an intense irritation at many forms of error, deceit, delusion and unjust oppressions, especially those that involve the extreme denigration or needless harm or constraint of any living being. This sometimes results in manifestations of anger — but these usually quickly pass from me, for I have a broad range of perspectives, strengths and knowledge by which to transcend many forms of anger and irritation, usually with many forms of humor. I hold that derision of error, foolishness and false assumptions or foul acts or attitudes is NOT innately denigrative, and actually can be respectful and even necessary act in some situations, but I do not expect that all those whose acts or attitudes are derided will be inclined to immediately recognize or accept this. I have long been contemplating becoming more generally and vigorously assertive of certain truths and opinions which I believe to be important, when I have clear opportunities to do so, but I also know that it can take much time to do so with proper levels of concern and care for many of the ways that any statements can be misinterpreted or deficiently perceived. I will probably be much more active here in coming weeks, and hope to make clear some of the most important of things I believe are relevant to this project within a few months. So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 11:23, 21 December 2013 (UTC) + tweaks