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Add some of the more "pure" libertarians too?

• Ludwig von Mises
• Hayek
• Milton Friedman
• Robert Nozick
• Lew Rockwell
• Rose Wilder Lane
• Carl Menger
• Richard Ebeling
• Karl Hess
• Eugene Volokh
• Ilya Somin
• David Friedman

Biohistorian15 (talk) 14:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Only Hayek qualifies for the list. The rest are libertarians and, in many ways, anti-conservative in their ideology. Trakking (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Add an "Israel" sub-category?

In particular as to include notable right-wing Zionists. Biohistorian15 (talk) 13:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Could also move Hazony there Biohistorian15 (talk) 14:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

If there were more people we could. But they are too few to make up an entire list. Trakking (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Add!? (hyper-controversial edition)

• Actual Nazis of the first-order political variety, i.e. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, such as the intellectually more sophisticated Alfred Rosenberg and or Gregor Strasser... Richard Walther Darré, Gottfried Feder
• Francisco Franco, Józef Piłsudski, Miklós Horthy - a lot less smart than Mussolini; not quite journalist etc.
• Garrett Hardin or Pentti Linkola - eco-fascist types...
• Sam Hyde - Twitch doesn't qualify you, does it?
• Henry Ford - no educational background at all
• Richard B. Spencer - Too crass maybe (*but then remove Yockey as well?) - and also others from: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Category:Alt-right_writers
• Viktor Orbán, Giorgia Meloni and an expanded Matteo Salvini - politicans not scholars
• Ram Goel, Savitri Devi, Elst
• Friberg
• Lauren Southern
• George Lincoln Rockwell
• William Luther Pierce
• James Mason (neo-Nazi)
• David Lane (white nationalist)
• Jared Taylor and Steve Sailer
• Yockey
• Bernhard von Bülow
• Ernst Haeckel
• Tomislav Sunić
• Gunnar Myrdal
• William Graham Sumner

Biohistorian15 (talk) 14:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

No, the Nazis were anti-conservative in many ways—anti-monarchical, anti-clerical etc. Goebbels and Strasser were both explicit left-wingers. Trakking (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

At this point, I know. If it's ok, I'll keep it here until I create a list more along the lines of "pundits" or "radicals"... Biohistorian15 (talk) 16:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

"Radical conservatism" is a form of conservatism that has some overlaps with Nazism. See for example Conservative Revolution. But many Nazis were left-leaning/socialist; more "traditionalist" elements include Himmler and, possibly, Rosenberg. Trakking (talk) 16:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hitler was a mix. Sometimes he sounded like a conservative; at other times, for example when he criticized Franco and Francoist Spain, he sounded like a typical socialist. (Nazism is a syncretic and eccentric ideology…) Trakking (talk) 16:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Add!? (uncertain)

• Michael J. Knowles, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro -- Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster (comedian), Adam Carolla, J. K. Rowling, Park Yeon-mi, Matt Taibbi, Dennis Prager -- pundits...?
• Steve Bannon and Andrew Breitbart - populism isn't intellectual
• Andrew Sullivan, Bari Weiss, Bret Weinstein - just how neocon can one get before turning communist all over? - Haidt
• Friedrich Georg Jünger, Theodore Kaczynski, Leon Kass and Grant - is anti-tech stuff really conservative?
  • Ivan Illich - but then, Tolstoy would fit just as well...!?
• Rebel Pepper - together with Chinese "Straussians"//Schmitt adherents, this may speak for a wider Chinese category...!? (*including ancients?!)
• George Bernard Shaw and or Georges Sorel - or too left-wing?
• Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. - supposedly a mere "civil libertarian"? -- but then, cf. e.g.: “I have no respect for the passion of equality, which seems to me merely idealizing envy…”
• Czeslaw Milosz - alongside Havel?
• David Mamet and Salvador Dalí, Godfrey Reggio - not notable enough as artist alone?
• Robert H. Jackson
• Benjamin Barber
• C. P. Snow
• Wyndham Lewis
• Alain Finkielkraut
• C. Wright Mills
• Glenn Loury and Roland G. Fryer Jr.
• Geoffrey Elton
• Horowitz
• Arthur Desmond (Ragnar Redbeard => add redirect to "might is right"!)
• William Blake
• Edward Luttwak
• Peter Porter (poet)
• T. S. Eliot, James Joyce, Chesterton - mere Christians?
• R. G. Collingwood
• Robert E. Howard
• Alexandre Kojève
• François Furet
• Kahlil Gibran
• Colin Renfrew
• Kurt Vonnegut
• James Salter
• Jeffrey Tucker
• David Bernstein
• Henry Hazlitt
• Gary North (economist)
• Anne Louise Germaine de Staël
• Max Eastman
• John Searle
• Edmond de Goncourt
• Robert Spencer
• James Frazer
• Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. - but then consider e.g. his "the imperial presidency"
• Norman Cohn
• Norman Podhoretz
• Morris Berman
• J. G. Ballard
• Lev Navrozov
• Catherine Wessinger
• Arthur Marwick
• Konrad Adenauer
• S. Jaishankar
• Jean Varenne
• Judith Rich Harris
• Georges Dumézil
• Paul Veyne
• Matthew Arnold (!?)
• Yvor Winters
• Charles Taylor (philosopher)
• Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen?
• Martin Amis
• Herbert Read
• Bruno Bauer
• George Will
• Roger Nash Baldwin
• Denis Dutton
• Baltasar Gracián
• François de La Rochefoucauld
• O'Rourke
• Peter Kreeft
• Booker T. Washington
• Peregrine Worsthorne
• Anthony Daniels (psychiatrist)

Good candidates once someone extended their pages

• Robert P. George

Best candidates

• John Lancaster Spalding
• John Ruskin (!)
• Arthur Melzer
• Calvin Coolidge
• Pat Buchanan
• Alexander Hamilton
• Arthur Balfour
• Seyyed Hossein Nasr

Biohistorian15 (talk) 14:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Shapiro, Prager, Carvalho, Jünger, Eliot, and Chesterton belong in the list. The rest are either too obscure or non-conservative. Trakking (talk) 16:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Andrew Sullivan is a quite notable conservative as well. Trakking (talk) 16:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Conservative Islam

Should a section for Islamic conservatism/Islamic world/Conservative Muslim intellectuals be added?

These names could be added to such a section (the names are from the Key ideologues section of the wikipedia template [1] and is not complete, but seems a good summary of notable names ) :

• Muhammad Abduh
• Jamāl al-Dīn al-Afghānī
• Qazi Hussain Ahmad
• Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani
• Muhammad Asad
• Hassan al-Banna
• Rached Ghannouchi
• Safwat Hegazi
• Muhammad Iqbal
• Ali Khamenei
• Ruhollah Khomeini
• Necip Fazıl Kısakürek
• Abul A'la Maududi
• Abul Hasan Nadwi
• Taqi al-Din al-Nabhani
• Yusuf al-Qaradawi
• Sayyid Qutb
• Tariq Ramadan
• Ata Abu Rashta
• Rashid Rida
• Navvab Safavi
• Ali Shariati
• Haji Shariatullah
• Hassan Al-Turabi
• Ahmed Yassin
• Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab

--ᘙ (talk) 11:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey thanks, We might think of an entirely new sub-category for this purpose. But it shouldn't be just a section on Islamic theology either! And as for the remainder, the overlap with socialist revolutionary movements may be too large (as in Assad and other Baathists...), don't you think? Feel free to add the most pertinent of these to "Other/Mixed" though for now, I suppose. (e.g. Ali Shariati?) Biohistorian15 (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Bashar al-Assad is not in the above list. There are many others, with a WQ article, that could be added to the list of conservative Muslim intellectuals, but the above would be a good start. --ᘙ (talk) 12:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, you're right. I misread Muhammad Asad. Thanks for your list. Biohistorian15 (talk) 12:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)