User talk:Chongkian

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Hello, Chongkian, and welcome to the English Wikiquote, a free compendium of quotations written collaboratively by people just like you!

To ask for advice or assistance feel free to drop by the Village Pump or ask on my talk page. Happy editing! And again, welcome! ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jiang Yi-huah[edit]

Please keep this in mind: Every quote needs to be sourced and article with less than about 7 to 10 quotes need a stub template. Thank you. -- Mdd (talk) 15:02, 4 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, got it ;) Chongkian (talk) 04:56, 11 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thank you for all your work on southeast Asian topics. It's an area that is badly needed, and unfortunately one in where I don't know the first thing. I'm glad there is someone here who is interested in it. If I can ever be of any help please let me know, and thank you again. GMGtalk 02:02, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, you're welcome. It is my interest for all of the East & Southeast Asian countries-related people's topics in Wikipedia And Wikiquote. Quite a lot of people have contributed in Wikipedia (in English or in their respective country's official language pages), but still not many in Wikiquote. So far my biggest confusion is the quote writing format, whether to make it bold or not bold in their quote, e.g. as in the case of these two pages which I have written: Andrew Hsia and Chen Chi-chung. By default, I shall write it in bold (Chen Chi-chung), but sometimes got other editors try to edit it and change to non-bold (Andrew Hsia). Maybe you know what is the default/most correct formatting in writing in Wikiquote? I have to say there is no universally accepted article writing format, after I have browse thru people's articles from other different countries around the world. Thanks for the help :) Chongkian (talk) 02:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem at all. There is currently no clear guidance on the issue at the Wikiquote manual of style, and which quotes are bold may change depending on the article or quote, or it may change for the same article over time. As far as article format and presentation, Wikiquote can be much more fluid than Wikipedia, and there may often be no one presentation which is objectively the best.
I normally only bold quotes that I find particularly striking, or which are particularly widely quoted. What meets this standard may change over time or across editors. I normally don't bold quotes until there is enough quotes on an article to want to make certain ones stand out to readers, but again, that my vary depending on who you ask. The important thing is that we have a presentation that is compelling for readers, and if we do that, then however we do it is the correct way. GMGtalk 02:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Recent new pages[edit]

Hi, I've noticed you've been creating a number of pages from officials in China or medical people that pertain to the Wuhan virus. Perhaps it would be better to gather these quotes onto a single page regarding the virus, rather than a multitude of smaller pages from not very notable people? Just a suggestion. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:15, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By default I will try to find those notable people first (those who already have Wikipedia page) to write their Wikiquote page. If there is no Wikipedia page from that person, then I make sure there is their Wikidata page at least (usually those professor with many publications, thus they have their author ID in some publication sites listed in Wikidata), then I write their Wikiquote. If they don't have Wikipedia and Wikiquote page, the very least I write their Wikiquote are those with affiliation with highly notable institution (e.g. university, government institution, hospital or medical institutions - all must be notable (the very minimum), meaning they must have their Wikipedia page). Those without Wikipedia, Wikidata or notable affiliation, I don't write their Wikiquote (that's my minimum judgement on what's considered notable for Wikimedia projects). And also, I write only those virus/microbiology-related people (scientist or health officials), not from other occupation's perspective (e.g. celebrity, business people etc) - I'm trying to make it as much scientifically correct as possible. So that's my approach so far. As the information is still growing fast with so many new information, there will be a future 'data re-arrangement' to unify or consolidate all of these information nicely and smoothly - I agree on that - for this Wuhan virus (or 2019-nCoV (or many other suggested name variants) - even the Wikipedia community haven't come into conclusion what name to be used for this particular virus - again, whether to focus on the virus itself, or the outbreak) quotes into one Wikiquote page about it. Chongkian (talk) 14:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done! This one: 2019-nCoV :D .. All of the quotes written are only from those who have their Wikiquote pages already. Chongkian (talk) 03:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Impressive![edit]

Hi Chongkian, I noticed on your user page that you have made over 390 contributions to Wikiquote. I looked at some of the contributions you have made and wish WQ could clone you :) Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I try to write notable people from all independent countries first (including dependencies and non/partially-recognized countries/regions). Just hope that we can get the categories covering all of those first, and to connect that to their respective Wikidata page. Once there is category from each region, then it will be easier for other people to write about other notable people from that area. The easier way to get the WQ page/article published is to write notable people from the world leaders (head of state/government or monarch), then followed by another group of notable people (e.g. athletes, scientists, government ministers etc). Of course I can only create a stub-class article first at the beginning (only 1 or maximum 2 quotes) of an individual page, because those are heavily dependent on the available information from the online media. From my exploration, probably almost half of the sources I have found, they always put paywall-restricted access to those biography articles, thus it can be quite a challenge to find a reliable and fully opened sources which contains direct quote from a notable person. In terms of topic, what I can see is there are still lack of coverage from Asia, Africa, Pacific (small countries) and Caribbean. There are also seems to have lack of standardization in terms of category naming (e.g. either to use 'Category:Nigerians' or 'Category:People from Nigeria'). I think for those basic stuffs, WQ need to have its Manual of Style (MoS) or we shall make consensus to it. For the WQ:TEMP, I see there is still missing on the MoS on the placement of photos (position, caption, size), so I think we need to work it out a bit on that. .. Last note, by all means feel free to be my clone and beat my contributions to WQ. I would be really happy to see that ^_^ I'm trying to contribute whatever I can within my own capacity whenever time permits ;) Chongkian (talk) 04:03, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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From my exploration, probably almost half of the sources I have found, they always put paywall-restricted access to those biography articles, thus it can be quite a challenge to find a reliable and fully opened sources which contains direct quote from a notable person

We seem to be in a minority of "editors" who are even slightly bothered by the lack of non-paywalled sources for quotes. It appears that despite lip-service to how-terrible-the-proliferation-of-mis-and-disinformation is, our editors are quite content to dish out quotes (and their context) that cannot be viewed by the public. How can anyone expect people of limited income to know what a reliable source of information is, when almost all the "good" information is hidden behind paywalls? Sigh...
If you are wondering what brought on this outburst - it was my visit to Jeffrey Epstein's talkpage. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, let me join the conversation there. Chongkian (talk) 00:11, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I went back to enwp to check the 5-pillars, which I view as the constitution of wikipedia, to see if it says anything about paywalls. All I could find was

Borrowing non-free media is sometimes allowed as fair use, but strive to find free alternatives first

I have not been around enwp much since 2017, but I don't see a movement there striving to find free alternatives. If I am right then the problem does not originate in WQ itself, we just seem to, good or bad, drift wherever enwp drifts to. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]