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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Slavery page.


Hello, I'm displeased to see that somebody made the Fallacy of quoting out of context. The person quoted:

  • Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!

Matthew 24:36-46 However, it seems as if they searched a Bible translation when Jesus is quoted as using the word "slave" in that sentence, but the mistake here is that the phrase is quoted in isolation, which make it likely to be misunderstood. In context, the whole topic speaks about the Second Coming of Christ from Matthew 24:36 to Matthew 24:46:

The Day and Hour Unknown

  • ““But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.” — NIV

As it is evident in the theological context, Jesus was not talking about the historical slavery. He made a comparison in which he is the master and his followers are the spiritual servants. Thus, I disagree that last quote be quoted in isolation.--Goose friend (talk) 03:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Resolved the issue with this edit and this edit. --P3Y229 (talk) 17:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Fairness and loyalty to the meaning in context is indispensable.--Goose friend (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

C. L. R. James and Frederick Douglas[edit]

There are and always will be some who, ashamed of the behavior of their ancestors, try to prove that slavery wasn't so bad after all, that its evils and its cruelty were the exaggerations of propagandists and not the habitual lot of the slaves. Men will say (and accept) anything in order to foster national pride or soothe a troubled conscience. ~ C. L. R. James

I disagree with this edit and see it as moving Black voices down on the page. The fact that a less radical representative is moved up does not negate the racism of this move. The C. L. R. James quote calls out the racism of U. S. apologists trying to whitewash history. If there is no consensus, then we can alphabetize as prior cases have been settled. But I do not agree with this change. Racists need to be called out. To not call out racists is racism. I will acquiesce to the consensus. But I hope I can appeal to you to not move Black voices down. Perhaps you can explain why you did not like the C. L. R. James quote. Is the reason one of justice or one of aesthetics? Whites are trying to whitewash history. It needs to be called out. ~ Peter1c (talk) 02:24, 8 February 2020 (UTC)