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Blog "quotes"[edit]

Illegitimate Barrister‎ (talkcontribspage movesblock userblock log) keeps adding blog "quotes" by Michael Totten to theme pages, even after being repeatedly asked to stop (by me and others) and being reverted multiple times by admin Ningauble. Here's an example from today, DIFF:

When I googled that "quote" to see if it is widely quoted (or notable in any way), Google gave me only... 2 results. 1) That blog, and 2) Wikiquote. I should add for the record that Illegitimate Barrister‎ has already flooded many other pages with blog "quotes" (that no one ever quotes), and most of the time they are so gratuitously insulting. Just look at the country theme pages he edited, and then featured on Wikiquote's Main Page. It's really disgraceful.

See, everyone here reads blogs. But only Illegitimate Barrister‎ seems to think it appropriate to post whatever sentences he reads and likes in non-notable blogs (usually nothing more than insults) to Wikiquote, as if that were Wikiquote's purpose. As Illegitimate Barrister shows no signs of stopping, I'm bringing this to the community's attention again. ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

This is unacceptable, having been warned before I think a suspension is necessary. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 13:46, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Electronic games should be listed on the left navbar under wikiquote links[edit]

There are hundreds of video game pages, so it should be easier to find them; also the medium isn't listed under list of literary works, like radio and theater. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:43, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Films about revenge is way too broad a category.[edit]

I have some concerns over the applicability of this category, imagine films about love as distinct from romance films; most movies have a villain and a love interest in them; I think these themes are too broad. Revenge is also very loosely applied as a justification for mass murder in several films, I'm also concerned whether all of the Friday the Thirteenth and Nightmare on Elm Street movies should be listed. I don't think that despite the title Revenge of the Sith would actually count as Anakin doesn't actually kill anyone who has wronged him he just thinks they have to justify the climax of the film; similarly the long standing historical wrongs are only perceived by characters and not actually seen on screen for films about racism such as American History X or Do The Right Thing, or nationalism for movies about war. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:37, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Quote Investigator[edit]

I just found this nifty resource: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/07/16/product/. It seems like they do good work. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I asked them; it is alright to use Quoteinvestigator as a source, as long as you give gredit where credit is due. --Spannerjam (talk) 10:49, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Columns for references[edit]

19:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Accessible editing buttons[edit]

--Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Harvnb[edit]

The template:harvnb does not work with template:cite book, using the |ref=harv coding. See William Luther Pierce#Notes. Neve-selbert (talk) 20:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Kreyol Ayisien (Haitian Creole)[edit]

Haiti has many, many proverbs and these are a significant part of culture there and abroad. What do I have to do first to request a Wikquote for Kreyol Ayisien? Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) (talk) 09:11, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): If you want to talk about Haitian Creole proverbs in English, you can post them here: Haitian Creole proverbs. If you want a new Wikiquote in Haitian Creoloe, that would be posted on incubator:. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:37, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't Wikiquote be more useful as a database of quotes than as a MediaWiki?[edit]

I'm making a software application and I want it to be able to show a random quote, and I've found out that Wikiquote's (MediaWiki) API can't give a quote, only a page of quotes (as on the wiki), so my application would also have to try to read the page for quotes.

Rather than this, a database of quotes (where a quote, not a page, is the smallest unit of information) could give me a random quote, making Wikiquote more useful to my application. Also, it would be easier for a contributor to add a new quote, as you wouldn't have to edit a page, just submit the quote and its author and it could find its way to the right page.

Is there any effort to turn Wikiquote into a database? I am willing to help. I think the best place to start would be to accept new quotes this way.

// the database
const quotes = [
  { quote: "Yo.", author: "A" },
  { quote: "Eh?", author: "B" }
];

// Add a quote.
// add_quote("What?", "Dad")
const add_quote = (quote, author) =>
  quotes.push({ quote, author });

// Get a random quote.
// random_quote() => { quote: "Eh?", author: "B" }
const random_quote = () => quotes[Math.floor(Math.random() * quotes.length)];

// Get all of the quotes by an author.
// quotes_by_author("A") => ["Yo."]
const quotes_by_author = author =>
  quotes.filter(quote => quote.author === author).map(quote => quote.quote);

Apart from the quotes themselves, just this is more useful to my application than Wikiquote as it stands. I'm trying to say there's a lot to be gained for relatively little effort.

That is a possibility that we have discussed on many occasions. I am all for it. BD2412 T 15:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I didn't think to search the Village pump archives before posting this. I'd like to edit the header to suggest doing that, but I don't have permission. --WillWhite (talk) 22:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
@86.183.20.21, BD2412, WillWhite: I've been an advocate of this for awhile now. See also m:Structured Wikiquote. I have a domain name for just this purpose. Are you interested in participating? —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: Yes. I'm thinking about using the parsing function in this library to show a random quote from Wikiquote in my application, then for the user to add the quote to a database, e.g. the one you're proposing. --WillWhite (talk) 19:27, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Vandal from it.wiki[edit]

Hi, beware Carlo Giovanardi: there is a vandal on it.wiki (the same who created the article here, i.e. Special:Contributions/79.26.41.236) filling that voice with details on trials and justice problems, which are off-topic on this project. I've seen he's doing the same here. --Superchilum (talk) 14:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Frederick Douglass at 200[edit]

The February will mark the 200th birthday of Frederick Douglass. On Wiktionary, we plan to feature one (or more) of his works, and so are transcribing copies from scanned sources during September in preparation. This will provide an opportunity for Wikiquote to add new quotations and amend citations for quotations, with a view towards possibly featuring quotations from Douglass this February in celebration. The precise date of Douglass' birthday is unknown, so quotes could be featured at any time during the month.

It may also be useful to note that commons:Category:Life and Times of Frederick Douglass (1892) includes the illustrations from the 1892 edition of his autobiography. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)


An example of a great Douglass quote:
  • I was now getting, as I have said, one dollar and fifty cents per day.  I contracted for it; I earned it; it was paid to me; it was rightfully my own; yet, upon each returning Saturday night, I was compelled to deliver every cent of that money to Master Hugh.  And why?  Not because he earned it,—not because he had any hand in earning it,—not because I owed it to him,—nor because he possessed the slightest shadow of a right to it; but solely because he had the power to compel me to give it up.  The right of the grim-visaged pirate upon the high seas is exactly the same.
    • Chapter X of Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave (Boston: The Anti-Slavery Office, 1845).
allixpeeke (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Would it be better to have a separate page for e-mail than mail?[edit]

I was considering creating a page for e-mail which would include the quotes about Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Jr.'s e-mail scandals, however I was wondering if it's necessary to make a new page, or if e-mail is considered synonymous with mail. CensoredScribe (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

  • I think there are plenty of unique takes about the particulars of email versus snail mail that it's worth having email as a topic. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:55, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Redwall[edit]

Hi. Does Redwall (1987 film) exist? I couldn't find infos on this film on the web. --Superchilum (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Misquotes/Unattributed[edit]

I know you have a page for misquotes, but it would be nice if you could place them in situ. For instance, this quote is commonly attributed to Aesop: "We hang petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." I have never been able to verify and I finally searched all his fables for it, couldn't find it. Then there is the quote "There are no great writers, only great rewriters," which is variously attributed to Ernest Hemingway, Ian Fleming, or James Michener.

It seems to me that it would make Wikipedia a more useful reference if you listed common errata and misattributions, so that visitors could find the correct information. I realize that would require a major change to the website, but it would help me a great deal, and I think it would help a great many other scholars and researchers as well. —This unsigned comment is by 69.29.115.191 (talkcontribs) .

Agreed. Unfortunately, features like this will probably only be implemented once we have a structured, data-driven interface. I'm working on one slowly but I'm not very experience in managing data. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:05, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

30,000[edit]

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Congratulations to everyone for reaching 30,000 articles on this project! Does anyone know what day did it happen? :-) --Spinoziano (talk) 15:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Spinoziano: Special:Statistics says that we have 30,070 pages. Looking at Special:NewPages, filtering only the main namespace, and counting backwards by 70, we arrive at Communist society, created on 2017-09-06T11:21:34, by User:Rupert loup. (Of course, there are some caveats to this, so it's difficult to say for certain when the 30,000 was made or what it was, but that's probably our best bet.) —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Personal comment[edit]

In general how to add a comment inside a phrase? Specifically in this quote Teen_Wolf_(Season_6)#Broken_Glass_.5B6.19.5D there is a Portuguese word, desumano. Can I link it to Wiktionary? or add a translation in form of comment? Thanks--Pierpao (talk) 22:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Pierpao: I think both are possible. Linking to wikt:desumano is fine. Adding a short note is fine too (like this). I would put the note after the quotation, but if you want to add it "inside" next to that word you should use [square brackets]. ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, DanielTom--Pierpao (talk) 15:33, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Do the films Gone With the Wind and Revenge of the Nerds have plots in which a rape is focal, making them films about rape?[edit]

The wikipedia talk page for Revenge of the Nerds features a lengthy debate on whether or not the identity impersonation sex scene at the end of the film should be considered rape, and brings up factors of it occurring largely off camera and ambiguity as to whether or not the female character is actually aware of the guy wearing a Darth Vader masks identity, which I think merits the debate on whether that is how this movie and films with similarly heavily suggested incidents should be categorized. Many works for children will heavily imply subjects like death but skirt around directly mentioning it by name or showing it. I wasn't exactly sure what to refer to this as, but I thought as an issue with categorizing a major classic romance film, it was worth discussing outside of a talk page, if anyone else cares to comment on the subject. CensoredScribe (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk page discussions are not citable as proof of anything. BD2412 T 17:37, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Duplicates[edit]

Hi, I'd like to report a couple of duplicate pages, which should be merged:

--Superchilum (talk) 07:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Table of contents[edit]

I know that a table of contents appears when an article has at least four sections, but is there a way to prevent it from appearing?—This unsigned comment is by Just A Regular New Yorker (talkcontribs) 23:19, 16 October 2017‎.

Try adding __NOTOC__ ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? Should I add that before or after the article?Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 02:23, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Anywhere you want. Usually it's added after the lead paragraph, just before the "Quotes" header. ~ DanielTom (talk) 09:05, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Emergency block of 170.24.130.166[edit]

Hello,

Just a note that I blocked Special:Contributions/170.24.130.166 for vandalism. There were no local admins immediately available that I could find. Please change or remove the block as needed.

Thanks, Ajraddatz (talk) 18:34, 18 October 2017 (UTC)